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I know one solution - hire more pilots.
How long have you been at CAL again? Do you have any experience in CAL 777 flight operations? Why don't you wait till the facts of this incident come out before you hustle to analyze it based on your few months of line flying at CAL...
Our airmanship is in our own hands, not the company.
I agree with you that something has got to give, but we cannot afford to make these kind of mistakes, period. If PBS has us so fatigued that we are almost getting shot down, then we better start calling in fatigued.
Personally, I think the onus lies on us here. This is our wake up call. Are you going to point fingers at CAL or start looking at your own discipline?
Cheers.
A fine new concept to introduce into the CRM concept and our lexicon, but when the external pressures are caused by the company itself then you've got to wonder what's up.
I think a better term would be "pushdown." A company pushes its employees as far as it possibly can before employee moral or retention starts affecting the bottom line and the bosses' bonuses. In this particular industry though the bottom line involves people being alive or dead. . . . . . . . .
. . . This is just a new and modern way of saying "do whatever it takes and push it to the limit and over" but if something goes wrong you will get no backup from us because you are responsible for saying "no more, I'm fatigued" (why didn't you?)--and even losing pay for that (which is a whole nother story at CAL).
This reminds me of a thread when I was landing in ATL and an Cirtrus wouldn't get out of the dang way.....................
You know something? You're right. Although I'm perfectly capable of and entitled to comment on this issue regardless of my background, employer and seniority, there's the whole question of "should". The fact remains I was a little pissed when I first read about this incident and considered the consequences, and spoke out in a manner that does not accurately reflect my personality.
My apologies for acting like an ass and thank you for pointing it out. (Seriously.)
Now that I've spit the chunks of leather out of my mouth, allow me to say this:
There are a lot of issues at play here. This goes far beyond a simple crew error, and gets into areas such as training culture and procedures design. My fervent hope is that CAL's management possesses enough leadership to treat these guys with some empathy, and put the details of this incident out there in the "daylight" for all Continental's pilots to learn and benefit from.
In the aviation industry, there is far too often a failure to have any sort of institutional memory over some of our mistakes, instead of us embracing the fact we are human and error prone. I'm not suggesting the crews of any particular airline go around wearing events such as these as badges of honor, but they are issues that need to be formally addressed, dissected, discussed and not forgotten by Aviators.