Fatigue @ ASA

[jstyle13]

I've noticed lately when I check other reserves sched's (not a lot else to do when you sit RR or in the crashpad), that there have been several fatigue calls by other reserves this month. I've never seen a month where there have been so many. It's good to know that guys on reserve are saying no to extension after extension (or additional assignments etc) on reserve instead of accepting it and flying fatigued. Everyone this month on reserve has been flying thier a$$ off. I wonder if it will affect the way the run things over in scheduling........?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I've heard that all of the winter weather has taken its toll on the reserves.

I'd love to see them increase the number of pilots, but I am not going to hold my breath on that. It's reminds me of how Delta handles winter weather in ATL. Just deal with it the few occaisions it causes problems, and eventually things will get better when the weather improves.

 

[777forever]

The Dulles based FOs are not flying very much. They are TDYing FOs up here and then flying the crap out of them.

 

[Plainsman]

I don't see how someone could do two, three day trips. At the end of a three day with 5 or 6 legs on the last day it's hard to function normal. I would call in fatigued in a heart beat if they tried to send me somewhere else. Safety First. You won't here anything about it if you do. This gang in the CPO and scheduling kinda get out of hand on trying to make pilots fly sometimes. How quickly the Chiefs forget what it is like out there. They will leave you out in the cold if you screw up.

 

[buscap]

I don't see how someone could do two, three day trips. At the end of a three day with 5 or 6 legs on the last day it's hard to function normal. I would call in fatigued in a heart beat if they tried to send me somewhere else. Safety First. You won't here anything about it if you do. This gang in the CPO and scheduling kinda get out of hand on trying to make pilots fly sometimes. How quickly the Chiefs forget what it is like out there. They will leave you out in the cold if you screw up.

My experience with scheduling is consistent with that, but our system isn't set up for them to deal with fatigue in any other way than to say "call the CP". They just schedule what's legal.

As far as the CPO, I've only called in fatigued two times and it was handled very well with no problems. Yes, they asked questions, but that's no big deal with me. That's their job.

I'm sure folks on reserve in the past year have had some good reasons for calling in fatigued, but I see no reason to view having to explain yourself to a CP as a punitive measure.

Don't cry wolf on fatigue just because you don't like the way you've been jerked around. Apples and oranges!

Have your ducks in a row and don't whine, but by all means make the call when needed.

 

[SLUF4]

There are still a lot of people that think you never get paid if you call in fatigue, but in fact you may still get paid for your trip if the union and chief pilots agree it was a "valid" fatigue call. I'm not sure what criteria they use for that, but something to think about.

 

[jetracer5]

There are still a lot of people that think you never get paid if you call in fatigue, but in fact you may still get paid for your trip if the union and chief pilots agree it was a "valid" fatigue call. I'm not sure what criteria they use for that, but something to think about.

No such thing as a VALID fatigue call. Fatigue is fatigue! You could of had the past year off and can still call in fatigue if your tired. Home life plays a big part in how we operate

 

[buscap]

No such thing as a VALID fatigue call. Fatigue is fatigue! You could of had the past year off and can still call in fatigue if your tired. Home life plays a big part in how we operate

Correct!!

But I wouldn't expect to get paid for that one.

 

[SLUF4]

I'm with you, but i'm just saying that's how the company and the union see it and I couldn't think of a better word to put there

 

[sweptback]

There are still a lot of people that think you never get paid if you call in fatigue, but in fact you may still get paid for your trip if the union and chief pilots agree it was a "valid" fatigue call. I'm not sure what criteria they use for that, but something to think about.

The union has absolutely nothing to do with you getting paid for a fatigue call. It is a chief pilot office call only.

 

[SLUF4]

well that's not what a union head said to me earlier this year

 

[BrickTop]

Skywest is experiencing the same RSV issues. Nearly abuse of reserves

 

[amcnd]

Skywest is experiencing the same RSV issues. Nearly abuse of reserves

And it's not even summer yet!!!

 

[Cpt Oveur]

At least ASA won't need as many pilots once PBS is up and running.

 

[WayBack]

No such thing as a VALID fatigue call. Fatigue is fatigue! You could of had the past year off and can still call in fatigue if your tired. Home life plays a big part in how we operate

Well that's the problem right there! Why do you think you deserve a home life?!
Call your family and tell them you'll get together with them on your 65th birthday.....that's if scheduling releases you off ready reserve!

 

[Flybywire44]

At least ASA won't need as many pilots once PBS is up and running.

Thats a good thing?

 

[twott driver]

Sarcasm, entirely wasted on the general population...