FAPA - the ball is in your court.

[Afixedwing]

You are steering the race to the bottom at this moment. Will you give Bedford the Scope relief he is asking for if the alternative is liquidation? If you guys bend over, you're worse than the RAH pilots that will pick up the 190 flying if you cave.

 

[CitationLover]

You are steering the race to the bottom at this moment. Will you give Bedford the Scope relief he is asking for if the alternative is liquidation? If you guys bend over, you're worse than the RAH pilots that will pick up the 190 flying if you cave.

So easy from the outside looking in.

Midwest pilots HELD THE LINE and REFUSED draconian pay cuts to RAH levels. 75% of us paid the ultimate price and were furloughed. Those pay cuts will now be forced on us through the elimination of our fleet and integration into RAH.

 

[Afixedwing]

So easy from the outside looking in.

Midwest pilots HELD THE LINE and REFUSED draconian pay cuts to RAH levels. 75% of us paid the ultimate price and were furloughed. Those pay cuts will now be forced on us through the elimination of our fleet and integration into RAH.

What kind of scope protection did you have in place?

 

[CitationLover]

What kind of scope protection did you have in place?

Obviously not very good whats your point?

 

[UND_Sioux]

You are steering the race to the bottom at this moment. Will you give Bedford the Scope relief he is asking for if the alternative is liquidation? If you guys bend over, you're worse than the RAH pilots that will pick up the 190 flying if you cave.

I think you are missing the point. RAH will have Frontier under under its umbrella soon. At some point, the lists will be combined and when that happens, RAH can fly 190s, 195s, 747s, etc... under the Frontier name so long as they put them on the Republic certificate or on the Frontier certificate. He doesn't need to get around scope.

The issue is that until a combined list happens, RAH has to honor Frontier's CBA, and thus, honor their scope. That's why he is asking for scope relief. The 190s are coming either way.

 

[Afixedwing]

I think you are missing the point. RAH will have Frontier under under its umbrella soon. At some point, the lists will be combined and when that happens, RAH can fly 190s, 195s, 747s, etc... under the Frontier name so long as they put them on the Republic certificate or on the Frontier certificate. He doesn't need to get around scope.

The issue is that until a combined list happens, RAH has to honor Frontier's CBA, and thus, honor their scope. That's why he is asking for scope relief. The 190s are coming either way.

I am not missing the point. He made the scope relief a condition of the acquisition. FAPA has some leverage at the moment.

 

[CitationLover]

I am not missing the point. He made the scope relief a condition of the acquisition. FAPA has some leverage at the moment.

The have all the leverage of a bankrupt pilot group with another 1113(c) hearing looming if need be.

That ain't much.........

 

[Afixedwing]

The have all the leverage of a bankrupt pilot group with another 1113(c) hearing looming if need be.

That ain't much.........

They have the leverage to thwart Bedford's plan.
He plans to get "scope relief" from the F9 pilots, bring in E190s at RAH, sell 51% of F9 to Wexford (thus no seniority list integration), and the whipsaw is in place. The perfect workaround for RAH's scope clause, which currently limits him.

 

[CitationLover]

They have the leverage to thwart Bedford's plan.
He plans to get "scope relief" from the F9 pilots, bring in E190s at RAH, sell 51% of F9 to Wexford (thus no seniority list integration), and the whipsaw is in place. The perfect workaround for RAH's scope clause, which currently limits him.

or he can use 1113(c) to impose whatever he wants before acquiring the airline.

 

[Afixedwing]

or he can use 1113(c) to impose whatever he wants before acquiring the airline.

At least that requires approval from a judge.