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Timebuilder

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I guess that I have to take some personal resposibility here for mentioning AFTRA and SAG in a previous post.

Both Britney and Tiger are eligible for up to three "waivers" before joining the union, but commercial contracts like theirs will likely carry a contrubution to the health and retirement plans of SAG for their work. Since they are not actors for their livelihood, they are not seen as taking struck work. In the unlikely event (!) that I had been cast in either production, I would have been identifed as as scab.

Also, it is very likely that Britney carries an AFM (american federation of musicians) card, and some venues may also require an Equity card, although this has declined radically in the age of television.

While we all have a right to disagree with a union, even our own, we should refuse the benefits won in that negotiation if we have crossed the line. Since this would tend to be ignored by most people, the better idea is to make an individual contribution to the negoiating process by respecting that process, and therfore the "line". As I said in a previous post, I feel that my old union is still a benefit to me by maintaining a standard in the industry. A rising tide raises all boats, remember?

While union membership has declined in many labor sectors, it is unlikely to decline in this one. While it still remains in aviation, it is important to observe the word "collective" in collective bargaining.
 

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In my opinion, this discussion doesn't belong on this board. Neither Tiger Woods nor Britney are involved in Aviation. If we're gonna talk unions and scabs, let's keep it in in aviation at least.

(and quit ruining my perfect image of Britney.)
 

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Remeber, Brian, both Tiger and Britney fly in private jets. They may even own them outright, so in a roundabout way, we may be dicussing our future employers!
Maybe Brit will call and say "flyme!"
 

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I think if Britney wanted a ride, I'd oblige her. Scab or not.
 

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Those of you who never had to make the decision to cross a picket line or not, are not qualified to talk about the subject. Whether you agree with a union's point of view or not is not the issue here. It's standing up to a majority vote and respecting the majority decision of your fellow pilots. By crossing a picket line you are undermining the union and everything it stands for, therefore you should and will be labled a "scab" since you have made yourself a black sheep... It will follow you throughout your career and even if you change careers you'll still be a scab. It is something that cannot be undone, reversed, cured or justified. If you think you will ever have to cross a picket line you would do yourself and everyone else a favor by not joining a union.
 
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Bigflyr, you have a legitimate belief and for that I respect your position.

I also saw Eastern and Pan American go down, I feel, partly because of the position taken by unions when it became personal and not business. I had a union negotiator in another industry tell me that I had my 50% to pass, lets not waste time on other issues, lets get out of here.

Tiger Woods is the owner of EJA Netjets shares. In short he employs pilots and purchases aircraft. I would assume that Brittaney probably does too.

Perhaps one would suggest that the pilots wait at the stairs and then yell scab as he boards. It did not give my Eastern friend much satisfaction when he yelled scab at those who crossed the line. When he blew his brains out, I do not really think he was very concerned about it. There were no winners.
 

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what's a scab

Good try at flame, but a scab is one who takes the job of a worker who is on strike. Using the true definition of scab, neither Brit nor Tiger are scabs because they did not take the job of a worker who was on strike. Unless there is another Brit or Tiger, they couldn't be taking the work of a striking Brit or Tiger. Think about it.
 

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Timebuilder said:
Remeber, Brian, both Tiger and Britney fly in private jets. They may even own them outright, so in a roundabout way, we may be dicussing our future employers!
Maybe Brit will call and say "flyme!"

Don't know about Tiger, but my good friend at ExecJet flew Britney from LAS to LAX. She left her half drank evian on the plane. He found it and...... Well I think he's sick.
 

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There are very few airlines left that are not "union shops". So if you take a job with such a company, you should realize that you are expected to either join the union membership, or decline membership but still pay the union dues. If you don't feel like the unions are helpful and there for a reason, I would recommend looking elsewhere for employment. That way, in case there should ever be a strike at that airline that you don't support the union on, you won't be faced with the life-long consequences of having scabbed during the strike. Just remember that when you accept a new job somewhere that you are accepting all that comes along with it. And in this day and age, that means the union part of it as well.

I'm of the opinion that if the Union was there before you got at job at xyz airline, then you support the union actions when they occur or find another job.

If you were there before the Union, then you might have more of a leg to stand on in opposing union actions.



And as far as the screen actors guild goes, do you think that when Alec Baldwin cashed his last check for making Pearl Harbor, that he felt guilty and gave an extra piece of that money back to the camera-men, seconds, make-up, editors, etc. Most of those actors in Hollywood care more about what ribbon they are going to wear on their lapel this week than some starving camera guy.
That whole issue is apples and oranges compared to the airlines. Does Hollywood have to comply with the RLA? They can tiger strike/sick out whenever they want. Seems to me people like Tiger and Brittany actually have created jobs for many individuals, not taken them away. And I also suppose that all those staunch supporters of the guild boycotted television and movies for the duration of the strike right? I don't really expect anyone outside the airline industry to give a rat's posterior about our unions/ strikes/ etc., except when it affects them directly. I seriously doubt if the cameramen on the set of some movie spends his lunch hour pondering how he feels about the airlines labor problems. And finally, the biggest contrast between the two is that the ONLY LEGAL bargaining power an airline union has is threat of a strike, thanks to the shackles of the RLA.

(1900laker steps down from the soapbox)
 

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Dear Canyonblue - thanks for the good laugh. I needed one today.......
 

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I'm so glad there are no scabs at Comair.

question for 1900 laker, Didn't Alec Baldwin and Barbara Streisend say they would move out of the US if Bush won the presidency? I am waiting for them to make good on that promise!! Happy new year to all.
 

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This thread has to be one of the lamest so far this year. However, there is one bright spot. Sooner or later some eight year old will do a search for Brittany Spears on the net and get to this thread.

"Daddy, what are unclean thought?" :cool:

Also, I sat here thinking about it, but I still can't figure out what the hell that guy did with that evian water. Then again, I did ride the short bus. Timmy!

As always,
Wiggums
 

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SDD,

Hey, your right! I forgot about that one! I bet Alec is a little worried about living elsewhere in the world now. Seems maybe he thinks he might be safer here with old W. as president.

I watched Pearl Harbor again the other day (you know the love story movie that was set during WWII, and not really about Pearl Harbor at all). Anyways, I had to laugh when Alec was telling his young pilots that if it looks like he is going down, he would pick the best military target he could and plow into it killing as many Japanese as posible. I had a real hard time accepting Alec as LtCol Doolittle. I was having flashes of him saying they ought to pummel Charleton Heston for his role with the NRA. Sorry about the off topic post folks.
 
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