falcon 7X

[fokkerjet]

This is all fine and dandy, but the WSofD blows the doors off this "Gulfstream" knockoff! FBW......WSofD is FBW; it's called cables which is the way of the future.

BTW, where is our buddy WSofD Driver?

 

[2000flyer]

BBQ... Keep the focus!

Phew! Thanks man. Thought I was going to be dreaming about the Moonachie exit all night!

 

[banned username 2]

Phew! Thanks man. Thought I was going to be dreaming about the Moonachie exit all night!

Dream??? That's more like a Nightmare!!!

 

[AA717driver]

Unless one of you can get me a F7X job with East Coast pay but in the Midwest, I'm locked into training in SAV for the rest of my life...

At least they have a wide variety of good restaurants.TC

 

[banned username 2]

Unless one of you can get me a F7X job with East Coast pay but in the Midwest, I'm locked into training in SAV for the rest of my life...

At least they have a wide variety of good restaurants.TC

Get in line! I'm still looking for the King Air job in Iowa with East/West Coast G-V/GLEX/BBJ Pay!

 

[AA717driver]

Frac Capt.--Tough to find good BBQ in Iowa... TC

 

[G100driver]

Besides, I'd take TX BBQ over NJ Italian anyday! 2000Flyer

Now have you had eaten good Jersey Italian? Not the place in Secacus in the mall.

 

[GVFlyer]

Here's the latest I have on the Gulfstream G500 and the Falcon 7X (8 pax, ISA, NBAA 200 nm Reserves):

Gulfstream G500
Falcon 7x

Normal Cruise: Mach 0.85.....Range 5,100 nm
Normal Cruise: Mach 0.85.....Range 5,100 nm

LRC: Mach 0.80.....Range 5,800 nm
LRC: Mach 0.80.....Range 5,700 nm

Takeoff Dist. MGTOW: 5,150 ft.
Takeoff Dist. MGTOW: 5,200 ft.

Landing Dist. MLW (75,300 lbs): 2,770 ft
Landing Dist. Typical - 37,100 lbs (BOW + 8 pax +2400 lbs fuel): 2,350 ft.

Cabin: 43'11" L x 6'2" H x 7'4" W
Cabin: 39'01" L x 6'2" H x 7'8" W

Cabin Volume: 1,669 sq. ft.
Cabin Volume: 1,500 sq. ft.

MGTOW: 85,100 lbs
MGTOW: 67,300 lbs

Baggage Area: 226 sq. ft.
Baggage Area: 157 sq. ft.

Max Fuel: 35,200 lbs.
Max Fuel: 28,900 lbs.

Max Payload: 6,500 lbs.
Max Payload: 6,000 lbs.

Max Payload Full fuel: 2,300 Lbs.
Max Payload Full Fuel: 1,900 lbs.

Engines: Two Rolls Royce BR710C4-11 rated at 15,385 lbs thrust each
Engines: (3)PWC-PW307A rate at 6,100 lbs thrust each

Thrust to Weight Ratio: 1 to 2.77
Thrust to Weight Ratio: 1 to 3.68

Acquisition Cost: $38 million
Acquisiton Cost: $35.8 million

Direct Operating Cost: $1,886 hr.
Direct Operating Cost: $1,644 hr.

Although not ETOPS certified (ETOPS applies only to aircraft operating under FAA Part 121, FAA Part 129 Foreign Carrier Operations and so forth), the G500/G550 meets double ETOPS 180 requirements.

GV






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[2000flyer]

Now have you had eaten good Jersey Italian? Not the place in Secacus in the mall.

Tuto Bene's closed. Chi Chi's closed (never liked them anyway). Red Lobster coming soon (not worth it in my book) and a Cheeseburger In Paradise opening soon. There is some pizza joint there, though I've never been. However, get away from the hotel and there are some great italian places. I know how to get there but don't remember their names. Of course, let us not forget Ruth Cris in Hoboken. Not italian indeed, but always worth a mention!

BTW - say hi to George for me.

Geeze, rereading this makes me think I spend WAY to much time in TEB!

 

[Flying Illini]

Great post GVFlyer!
We have two owners who are looking seriously at the 7X and G500. The GLEX is in last place....but I will believe all of the talk when an aircraft shows up on the ramp.

 

[Gumby]

GLEX for sale...

Great post GVFlyer!
We have two owners who are looking seriously at the 7X and G500. The GLEX is in last place....but I will believe all of the talk when an aircraft shows up on the ramp.

You can pick up The Depots' GLEX, I just saw it for sale in a magazine, maybe a good deal, and an orange apron to boot!

 

[GVFlyer]

Great post GVFlyer!
We have two owners who are looking seriously at the 7X and G500. The GLEX is in last place....but I will believe all of the talk when an aircraft shows up on the ramp.

Thanks, remember that the G500 is an "in-service" aircraft as opposed to a developmental aircraft that will have typical entry into service problems. Alternatively, (not that I'm recommending this!) you can get a a-heck-of-a-deal on a Global right now as Bombardier clears inventory (as well as management) prior to fielding the Global Express XRS.

GV

 

[2000flyer]

Just got a notice today that the first 7X is out of the factory and nearing flight test. Six more in various stages on the factory line.

Won't be long gents!

2000Flyer

 

[AA717driver]

Thanks, remember that the G500 is an "in-service" aircraft as opposed to a developmental aircraft that will have typical entry into service problems. Alternatively, (not that I'm recommending this!) you can get a a-heck-of-a-deal on a Global right now as Bombardier clears inventory (as well as management) prior to fielding the Global Express XRS.

GV

Read my lips: NEVER BUY THE FIRST HUNDRED OF ANY MODEL.TC

 

[banned username 2]

Frac Capt.--Tough to find good BBQ in Iowa... TC

Oh boy, I hope that was a Fruedian Slip and not a look into my future! (No offense to the Frax guys, I just don't wanna work that hard!)

 

[GVFlyer]

You know that as far as I'm concerned the culinary capitol of the world is Coopers' BBQ in Llano, Republic of Texas, but if you're at Teterboro, well a guys gotta eat, so you could do worse than eating at the Martini Grill. If you hang a right coming out of Jet Aviaton and follow Moonachie until it deadends in about a half mile, you'll run right into it. If Melek, the waitress who is normally there, asks you to guess what country she's from - say Turkey to impress her with your cosmopolitan savoir faire.

GV

 

[AA717driver]

Falcon Capt.--OMG! I appologize. Frac Capt is an ok guy, too but I'll buy the BBQ if I run into you as reparations for the insult.

A thousand pardons. TC

 

[banned username 2]

Falcon Capt.--OMG! I appologize. Frac Capt is an ok guy, too but I'll buy the BBQ if I run into you as reparations for the insult.

A thousand pardons. TC

Oh, not an insult, you just scared me, I don't wanna work that hard!!!

 

[puddlejumper]

You know that as far as I'm concerned the culinary capitol of the world is Coopers' BBQ in Llano, Republic of Texas, but if you're at Teterboro, well a guys gotta eat, so you could do worse than eating at the Martini Grill. If you hang a right coming out of Jet Aviaton and follow Moonachie until it deadends in about a half mile, you'll run right into it. If Melek, the waitress who is normally there, asks you to guess what country she's from - say Turkey to impress her with your cosmopolitan savoir faire.

GV

I tried the "Grill" last time I had a dropoff at Jet. I don't think they opened until noon. 11:20 and the place was locked up like Ft Knox. Grrr... I think we wound up at Houlihans. (pretty good chicken caesar salad).

Oh, and to stay on topic, did the Falcon 900 crew out of Fernadina Beach yesterday get their multi-service card back yet?

-PJ

(Melek - Turkey, gotta remember that )

 

[GVFlyer]

(Melek - Turkey, gotta remember that )

-PJ

To make the deal a lock, volunteer that you know that Melek means "Angel" in Turkish.

GV

 

[Brett Hull]

To make the deal a lock, volunteer that you know that Melek means "Angel" in Turkish.

GV

Is she by any chance the same Turkish gal who tended bar at Tutu Bene before it closed? Blonde, about a 82 on a scale of 1 to 10?

 

[HawkerF/O]

There is an old saying, "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans". I mean no disrespect, but if I were you I'd take whatever a salemans tells you, and discard it with due speed. I'd talk to other operators for true numbers, or in the case of a nex production aircraft, my pre-purchase contract/deposit would have exit clauses with refund previsions predicated on specific aircraft performance. I wonder what great details the Beech salesmen had for prespective Starship owners clunking down their deposits. With that said, I have no doubt that this Falcon will be a great bird, as it comes from a great family of aircraft makers. The French know how to make corp jets, though they could use a lesson in pricing the parts! Those Falcons are structurally built like brick Sh*t houses. If you want to learn a lesson you will never forget, take what a salesman promises you directly to the guy writing the check for the airplane. Then go buy a good pair of shoes, so when the A/C is delivered, you'll be comfortable as you're in his office doing a rug dance.

Exactly! Our salesman said we'd be able to go out of a 3900' field and make eastern EU no sweat from the SE US.

Why does anyone buy a three engine jet? Safety, reliability, performance...

Max landing weight to beat near MTOW, Vref 104, landing distance 2350'! Incredible. The wing is incredible. You won't find fenses, vortex generators, winglets or the like on a 50/900/2000/7x wing.

This is going to be one sweet ride. DFJ is doing their best to have it flying at the Paris Air Show this year!

Of course, I'm biased

2000Flyer

 

[2000flyer]

There is an old saying, "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans". I mean no disrespect, but if I were you I'd take whatever a salemans tells you, and discard it with due speed. I'd talk to other operators for true numbers, or in the case of a nex production aircraft, my pre-purchase contract/deposit would have exit clauses with refund previsions predicated on specific aircraft performance. I wonder what great details the Beech salesmen had for prespective Starship owners clunking down their deposits. With that said, I have no doubt that this Falcon will be a great bird, as it comes from a great family of aircraft makers. The French know how to make corp jets, though they could use a lesson in pricing the parts! Those Falcons are structurally built like brick Sh*t houses. If you want to learn a lesson you will never forget, take what a salesman promises you directly to the guy writing the check for the airplane. Then go buy a good pair of shoes, so when the A/C is delivered, you'll be comfortable as you're in his office doing a rug dance.

I didn't say I was taking his word as the gospel. Just passing on info related to us early in preproduction planning. That being said, however, if they meet their design goals they won't be far from the numbers he quoted.

2000Flyer