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they seem to be advertising for pilots fairly often....
sounded like a pretty spread out operation, maybe some places have quicker turnovers? If I recall they were also on a 135 certificate (NOOO THANKS)....
Of course ProPilot said it was a great department...what are they going to say.."we fly all the time for low pay and do charters to fill in any days off" "Our job sucks"...of course not. Im not saying that is the case...but you know what I mean!
Hey, it may be a great job, depends where you come from, right??
With them number of guys on the street right now, a DA50 job for a stable defense contractor cant be THAT bad !!!!
sounded like a pretty spread out operation, maybe some places have quicker turnovers? If I recall they were also on a 135 certificate (NOOO THANKS)....
Of course ProPilot said it was a great department...what are they going to say.."we fly all the time for low pay and do charters to fill in any days off" "Our job sucks"...of course not. Im not saying that is the case...but you know what I mean!
Hey, it may be a great job, depends where you come from, right??
With them number of guys on the street right now, a DA50 job for a stable defense contractor cant be THAT bad !!!!
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It seems that the guys in the take over got the shaft. The director over there, Pollack, screwed things up so bad. He tried to turn those guys into 135 pukes. I heard through the vine that they had great jobs in cleveland. Saw the world, great schedueling and very well kept 50's. I'd rather be out on the streets than prostituting myself.
It seems that the guys in the take over got the shaft. The director over there, Pollack, screwed things up so bad. He tried to turn those guys into 135 pukes. I heard through the vine that they had great jobs in cleveland. Saw the world, great schedueling and very well kept 50's. I'd rather be out on the streets than prostituting myself.
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I talked to their New Orleans CP a few years ago when they were looking for an Excel pilot. He flat out told me that pay was "below what I would expect" but they had a good pension plan. I decided not to pursue it any farther, especially with a seemingly negative statement from the CP.
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Asking about a department but you know the scoop from all the insiders??
If you know its a bad job, why apply or be concerned? I mean...one does not have to look far to find a crappy job in the 135 world!
Pro Pilot??? remember....last month they had an article about a department who flew Learjets to Europe and the crew slept in the "berthable" learjet...ya know, caught a few hours of rest then flew home to Colorado or something! ALL departments interviewed all say how great it is....what else can they say I guess..
When a company as big as Northrop supplements thier flying by being on a 135 certificate (and USING it) its usually a clear sign to RUN (not walk) away fromt that gig ASAP!!
(just an opinion!)
If you know its a bad job, why apply or be concerned? I mean...one does not have to look far to find a crappy job in the 135 world!
Pro Pilot??? remember....last month they had an article about a department who flew Learjets to Europe and the crew slept in the "berthable" learjet...ya know, caught a few hours of rest then flew home to Colorado or something! ALL departments interviewed all say how great it is....what else can they say I guess..
When a company as big as Northrop supplements thier flying by being on a 135 certificate (and USING it) its usually a clear sign to RUN (not walk) away fromt that gig ASAP!!
(just an opinion!)
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Valid Opinion
Your opinion is a valid one. But you see there is a problem here. There are a lot of pilots that read Pro Pilot to gather information to advance their careers. This magazine needs to do more research on who they report on. Why is it that most flight dept. managers wont use the PP surveys?? Bad info.
Your opinion is a valid one. But you see there is a problem here. There are a lot of pilots that read Pro Pilot to gather information to advance their careers. This magazine needs to do more research on who they report on. Why is it that most flight dept. managers wont use the PP surveys?? Bad info.
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Agreed 100%...
but are YOU going to tell the ProPilot writer that your job sucks, you are overworked, underpaid, benefits suck, and you have to overnight aboard the company jet while on the road...
NO...not unless you have another offer lined up...
read between the lines....
"average pay".....pay sucks
"competitive benefits".....benefits suck
"team players wanted"......slaves wanted
"attitude more important than experience"....pay REALLY sucks
"on a 135 cert. to keep the planes flying".......run, NOW.
but are YOU going to tell the ProPilot writer that your job sucks, you are overworked, underpaid, benefits suck, and you have to overnight aboard the company jet while on the road...
NO...not unless you have another offer lined up...
read between the lines....
"average pay".....pay sucks
"competitive benefits".....benefits suck
"team players wanted"......slaves wanted
"attitude more important than experience"....pay REALLY sucks
"on a 135 cert. to keep the planes flying".......run, NOW.
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Be careful on your remarks on 135. you may need it to keep your job and feed your families one day. Dont let these guys fool you, if you do it for the right guy, he may share a substantial amount of revenues with you... hope your flight department budget never gets tight,, ours turned a hansome profit last year.
Anyway, At leat at 14 hours I am done!!! I have seen coutless guys in 91 do back to back 20 hour days on 6 hours rest. If doing a weight and balance on each leg, checkrides every six months, and knowing the regs scares you,, then yeah, we are just PUKES.
Be careful on your remarks on 135. you may need it to keep your job and feed your families one day. Dont let these guys fool you, if you do it for the right guy, he may share a substantial amount of revenues with you... hope your flight department budget never gets tight,, ours turned a hansome profit last year.
Anyway, At leat at 14 hours I am done!!! I have seen coutless guys in 91 do back to back 20 hour days on 6 hours rest. If doing a weight and balance on each leg, checkrides every six months, and knowing the regs scares you,, then yeah, we are just PUKES.
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I read the post and called a buddy of mine... he told me this-
"run away from NGAI. its the b!tch job of southern california. I knew several folks who work there and even in this climate they're having trouble keeping folks working for them.
Its a face time company. Yes you do 91 missions, and yes you do 135 for side work, and yes you also have to be in the office from 9 to 5 just to show your alive. and they will find busy work for you while you're waiting... and yet at night - your still on call. Think duty times are a problem? ask them why the duty time sheets are filled out in pencil. You'll get phone calls for trips late at night after working all day and be told by the head honchos - don't worry about duty time - I'll fix that when I get there in the morning.
the management is horrible... NG is a great company - but in need of a complete change in the folks that run the flight ops side.
if you don't belive me - go find some of their pilots and ask them...
I'd sooner find work outside and unrelated to aviation then go to NGAI under their current management.
You only have one reputation - don't blow it working for them."
that could be part of the reason. The DA-50's were TRW's... the flight department was brought under NGAI's control. Its a sad story.
"run away from NGAI. its the b!tch job of southern california. I knew several folks who work there and even in this climate they're having trouble keeping folks working for them.
Its a face time company. Yes you do 91 missions, and yes you do 135 for side work, and yes you also have to be in the office from 9 to 5 just to show your alive. and they will find busy work for you while you're waiting... and yet at night - your still on call. Think duty times are a problem? ask them why the duty time sheets are filled out in pencil. You'll get phone calls for trips late at night after working all day and be told by the head honchos - don't worry about duty time - I'll fix that when I get there in the morning.
the management is horrible... NG is a great company - but in need of a complete change in the folks that run the flight ops side.
if you don't belive me - go find some of their pilots and ask them...
I'd sooner find work outside and unrelated to aviation then go to NGAI under their current management.
You only have one reputation - don't blow it working for them."
that could be part of the reason. The DA-50's were TRW's... the flight department was brought under NGAI's control. Its a sad story.
I know of several corporate operators that have their aircraft on a 135 certificate. It doesn't make them scumbags. One prime reason is they do not use the aircraft enough to justify owning on their own. But they prefer not to go the fractional route. Another, is for billing purposes when departments or sister companies use the aircraft. And after 9/11, it may allow the company to fly sooner if the airspace is shut down again.
Another reason would be that it allows the company to put a better face on the department to the Board of Directors and the stockholders. Remember the normal flight department is a cost center. With a 135 certificate it becomes a potential profit center. And when times get difficult one of the first things to get shut down is the flight department. Been there, got that.
Another reason would be that it allows the company to put a better face on the department to the Board of Directors and the stockholders. Remember the normal flight department is a cost center. With a 135 certificate it becomes a potential profit center. And when times get difficult one of the first things to get shut down is the flight department. Been there, got that.
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