FAA user fees

[dseagrav]

the death of GA in this country(which again I am OK with)

Well, if it's all the same, I hope your employer treats you with all the respect and consideration you have for us. (That is, I hope they use you like the tool you are and burn you to a crisp, pay you the bare minimum required to keep you alive and you rack up huge debts, then throw you away like so much garbage when the next batch of riddle rats will fly for less than you did.)

I realize this would be a really ********************ty existence for you, but I would be OK with that.

 

[BGSkyGuy]

siucavflight you suck

"Like I said above, it was for selfish reasons, but yes I do care about me!"

What a guy...

"And yes I would have been able to afford flight training under the proposed user fees, although I agree many will not be able to,"

Gee, Thanks Mom and Dad!!!!!!!!

"and it will pretty much be the death of GA in this country(which again I am OK with)"


GA is the only reason you have a flying job today! What the F*&^ is wrong with you! With that logic you might as well off mommy and daddy now that they have outlived their usefulness by paying for your flight training. Do you not see how destructive user fees will be to aviation in general? Either you are intentionally trying to p!$$ people off or you are the biggest imbecile to ever soil a cockpit with your presence.

 

[siucavflight]

Gee, Thanks Mom and Dad!!!!!!!!

Mom and Dad? I dont think so.

I have to say you guys got more bent out of shape then I thought you would. Of course I dont want user fees, I actually own half of a Cirrus and would not want to pay user fees evert time that I felt like flying it.
Sometimes though it might be good for you to let someone express their feelings without calling them names, nothing wrong with entering into an actual adult style debate with someone.

 

[BGSkyGuy]

Mom and Dad? I dont think so.


Of course I dont want user fees, I actually own half of a Cirrus and would not want to pay user fees evert time that I felt like flying it.
Sometimes though it might be good for you to let someone express their feelings without calling them names, nothing wrong with entering into an actual adult style debate with someone.

But wait a minute, is there another siucavflight out there because I could almost swear that in your last post you said...

"I never thought that I would say this, but I am pro-user fees, and I understand that it is for very selfish reasons. Just my .02"

As far as calling you names, if the shoe fits...........

 

[BGSkyGuy]

Oops I forgot who I was dealing with here. Due to your extreme lack of foresight I had better finish my last line for you.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

 

[Nolife]

Suic... the supposed pilot shortage wouldn't help your career. That would mean cancellations due to lack of staffing, your airline not running efficiently, reduced growth. However there would be maximum ovetime for you, so yes your paycheck would be great but so long wife, kids, and quailty of life.

BTW... in case you don't know GA is more than flight schools and private pilots. Freight, air ambulance, charter and such would all be affected. These user fees won't kill GA. It will make GA the playground for the very rich and the traveling public will be at the mercy of airlines.

 

[wrxpilot]

As a former flight insturctor this sucks. But as an airline pilot this would be a dream come true. The cost would put the cost of flight training out of the hands of most new and hopeful pilots, thus continuing to decrease the amount of professional pilots around the country. What would happen next would be that the airlines would have to now compete to attract new pilots to the airlines. Thus wages go up, and QOL goes up. I never thought that I would say this, but I am pro-user fees, and I understand that it is for very selfish reasons. Just my .02

The problem I see these days is that there are too many people like you. Me me me. My family has been involved with GA, military, and airline aspects of aviation since my grandfather. But the roots and tradition for all of us were in GA. To not be able to share that with future generations would be beyond heartbreaking.

Wow, I am just amazed a pilot would say what you did. Damn.

 

[wrxpilot]

And yes I would have been able to afford flight training under the proposed user fees, although I agree many will not be able to, and it will pretty much be the death of GA in this country(which again I am OK with)

Are you drunk or something? You are ok with the death of GA?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

GA is where it all started for many of us - Respect it.

 

[cjdriver]

Never mind.

 

[727C47]

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[Nolife]

While flipping channels last night looking for the squigilly line channel I came across C-SPAN. They were showing the senate commitee hearing on the new FAA budget. The only person there that seemed to know anything about aviation was Administrator Blakely. The senators were clueless, including Sen. Lott. User fees are coming and it will get worse for GA before it gets better.

BTW... is it just me or does anyone else think that new ATC equipment won't reduce congestion at large hub airports, ie IAH, ATL, DFW, ORD, IAD, LGA, JFK, et al. Seems to me the best way to reduce congestion is for airlines to stagger departures, but that kills the hub and spoke concept which is the main reason for congestion in the first place.

Maybe airlines need a new business model instead of killing the GA competition with user fees.

 

[HelloNewman]

All I can say is it is about time they did this! I can't tell you how many times we have been flying into a small midwestern or east coast airport and have to hold because some dinky cessna or piper is doing a full blown dme arc approach or some type of other long approach for practice. They always seem have to do the longest approach possible. This can cause unnessecary delays. Maybe it will make them think twice before blocking traffic in IFR conditions "just for practice". The shortage of pilots would also be great for bringing up wages. I am all for this bill!

 

[HelloNewman]

GA is where it all started for many of us - Respect it.

Yes GA is where most of us started that fact can not be denied. For those of us at the airlines though we no longer need GA. I have not stepped foot in a GA aircraft for quite a while. To be quite frank most airline pilots that do fly for fun fly in VFR weather only. This is not an unfair tax. It only seems to apply to those flying IFR. The VFR weekend warriors will not be hurt at all.

 

[siucavflight]

All I can say is it is about time they did this! I can't tell you how many times we have been flying into a small midwestern or east coast airport and have to hold because some dinky cessna or piper is doing a full blown dme arc approach or some type of other long approach for practice. They always seem have to do the longest approach possible. This can cause unnessecary delays. Maybe it will make them think twice before blocking traffic in IFR conditions "just for practice". The shortage of pilots would also be great for bringing up wages. I am all for this bill!

Yep, going into HPN last week, Eagle flight go around Cessna still on the runway.

 

[Swaayze]

You guys are fools if you support this. This is exactly why I joined AOPA a few years ago even though I cannot afford to fly for pleasure now (nevermind in the future if this comes to pass)!

Fortunately it seems some important members of the aviation subcommittee agree with those of us that think this is a bad thing, so maybe it will be shot down.

 

[wrxpilot]

Yes GA is where most of us started that fact can not be denied. For those of us at the airlines though we no longer need GA. I have not stepped foot in a GA aircraft for quite a while. To be quite frank most airline pilots that do fly for fun fly in VFR weather only. This is not an unfair tax. It only seems to apply to those flying IFR. The VFR weekend warriors will not be hurt at all.

You know what? FU$K YOU.

 

[HelloNewman]

You know what? FU$K YOU.

Nice retort. How does this "kill" GA. All the VFR weekend warriors will be fine. All those getting an instrument rating will simply have to pony up the user fee for like 3 cross countries. Charter Companies, Air Ambulances, etc will simply have to pass on the cost to their customers. All this will do is make those who needlessly clog up airports in IFR weather pay to do so. Its about time they stop cessnas and pipers from making all the other airlines hold just because they want to do a full approach in IFR conds. Talk about making a big deal out of nothing. This won't affect a large portion of GA at all

 

[dseagrav]

All the VFR weekend warriors will be fine

... for now. I give it two years tops after the implementation of the fees before the FAA says "We aren't making enough money!" and starts charging us too. Once they have a cash flow that isn't subject to oversight, greed will take over.

And don't forget the fuel tax increase that comes with the fees... That affects everyone except the airlines.

 

[neflier]

Nice retort. How does this "kill" GA. All the VFR weekend warriors will be fine. All those getting an instrument rating will simply have to pony up the user fee for like 3 cross countries. Charter Companies, Air Ambulances, etc will simply have to pass on the cost to their customers. All this will do is make those who needlessly clog up airports in IFR weather pay to do so. Its about time they stop cessnas and pipers from making all the other airlines hold just because they want to do a full approach in IFR conds. Talk about making a big deal out of nothing. This won't affect a large portion of GA at all

Newman,

F%ck You. The 400% increase in fuel tax will affect every VFR operation. The airlines don't own the airspace. This is a free country, or it was at some point in time. Please explain what is wrong with a piston single doing a full approach. I spent five years in an RJ and NEVER held for a GA aircraft. You are talking out of you a$$. This FAA proposal is nothing but an effort to destroy our freedoms.

If you didn't see it the first time, F%ck You.