FAA to issue Crew Certificates?

[Cptn2b]

I heard a rumor. Yeah I know they fly all the time, but I just want to know if anyone else has heard the same. I was told by some folks at one of these fast-track flight schools that the FAA is going to start allowing "Crew Only" certificates to be issued to pilots. What I mean by this is that pilots will be able to get a pilot certificate that is not valid in a typical GA aircraft and only valid to operate in a crew environment as a pilot for an airline. I guess this is due to the need airlines have for "qualified" pilots. I hear this may take place in as little as 3 months. That is all the info I have on this but if it is true in my openion it is going to undermine the training and level of skill that most pilots up to this point have worked to obtain. What is this world coming to. I fully expect in the next 10 years the first officer will not even have hair on his nuts when he gets hired. Either that or they will just modify the flight deck to allow goats to occupy the right seat. When I chose my major for college it was because I wanted to work with professionals.

 

[cobalt]

oh great, so they won't let someone go out and kill themselves, but they'll let them on the flightdeck where i'll have to stop them from killing myself and 50+ other people. nice.

 

[Black Hawk]

Is this for real? Everyone who flies with someone with a "crew only" certificate deserves IOE pay.

 

[Goose Egg]

What I mean by this is that pilots will be able to get a pilot certificate that is not valid in a typical GA aircraft and only valid to operate in a crew environment as a pilot for an airline. I guess this is due to the need airlines have for "qualified" pilots. I hear this may take place in as little as 3 months...

While I can see something like this happening in the future, I think three months might be a little hasty. This is the government that we are talking about. What I find kind of confusing about it all is the fact that pilots that go through the "pilot factory" train in GA airplanes, so why should they be considered unsafe to fly them?

Anyway, it's probably a bad idea. And there isn't a need to even implement it yet.

-Goose

 

[Vspeeds]

Unbelievable!!!!

 

[Nolife]

I fully expect in the next 10 years the first officer will not even have hair on his nuts when he gets hired.

You are right... along with the seedless watermelon genetic scientists have developed a mutation for a set of much more streamlined hairless testicles which can be retro fitted on new hire FO's with crew only certificates.

 

[CFIse]

I was told by some folks at one of these fast-track flight schools that the FAA is going to start allowing "Crew Only" certificates to be issued to pilots. What I mean by this is that pilots will be able to get a pilot certificate that is not valid in a typical GA aircraft and only valid to operate in a crew environment as a pilot for an airline.

So I don't think this is true.

1. There's a large Part 61 re-write out there already, and that wasn't part of it.

2. The FAA couldn't get it done in 3 months, they probably couldn't get it done in 3 years, but certainly not 3 months.

3. We're going more ICAO not less, and as far as I know ICAO has no "crew only" license.

Are you sure this wasn't somebody confused by the SIC only type ratings that are now being handed out like confetti so the French won't confiscate our airplanes?

 

[JimNtexas]

What you're hearing isn't coming from the FAA, its an ICAO idea being pushed by European and Austrailian flight schools to serve the Asian training market.

Multi-crew Pilot Licence (MPL)



Flight International Article

A key feature of the MPL was enabling pilots to take the "right-hand seat" on an aircraft after 240h of training, said the licensing director. A key aim of the licence was to "train to proficiency, rather than test to destruction".

 

[rickair7777]

So I don't think this is true.

1. There's a large Part 61 re-write out there already, and that wasn't part of it.

2. The FAA couldn't get it done in 3 months, they probably couldn't get it done in 3 years, but certainly not 3 months.

3. We're going more ICAO not less, and as far as I know ICAO has no "crew only" license.

Are you sure this wasn't somebody confused by the SIC only type ratings that are now being handed out like confetti so the French won't confiscate our airplanes?

1. True.

2. It would probably take a lot longer than that because a great many folks would oppose it here.

3. False. It is happening overseas, but it is not a huge cultural issue outside the US since GA is essentially non-existent and many airlines finance or conduct ab-initio training for their pilots anyway...for them this is just a cheaper, shorter ab-initio process.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Just look how long it took to get the SIC type rating pushed through.... (and in my opinion they still didn't do that right)

 

[se1776]

if you get this type certificate can you upgrade as a captain?
or you need to get the regular certificates

 

[fatdumbandhappy]

Holly Hell!, If you can't fly a C-152 solo what business do you have in an turbine powered aircraft with paying pax in the back.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Hit the switch you crew only biatch!

 

[JediNein]

The part 61 draft rule eliminates what some scumbag companies were pulling with type ratings, "must have SIC for 25 hours" and other bull scat limitations on the pilot certificate. I didn't see anything in there about an additional limitation for "crew only."

If you do want a new limitation offered, write to the FAA and request it, part 12 of the regs, I think.

 

[viper548]

I hope a FO with a crew only license doesn't expect to actually FLY the plane. I see that as qualified to operate the gear, flaps and radio.

 

[dvmthwsvan]

Wow, all the time, as an FO, I get asked "When will you get to fly, and When will you get your pilot's license?" So I guess when these guys get asked that it will be a legit question.

Dave