FAA rules, max 12 hour duty day and 9 hour flight day....in effect Oct15

[Scope out RJ's]

this was exactly the response I was looking for.
Thanks Dope. You were on this quicker then I expected.
But you did your job as predicted.
M

Doosh, what's the matter, your man on the rag today? You bored?
You can always go out and practice playing in the street!
I'm sure mom and dad would appreciate it!

 

[relief tube]

Which transcon turns are less than 9 hrs???

Yogi

Jetblue tried experimenting with this years ago illegally. Yay race to the bottom industry.

I hope this doesn't pass, if this is even not completely made up.

 

[Midge]

Jetblue tried experimenting with this years ago illegally. Yay race to the bottom industry.

I hope this doesn't pass, if this is even not completely made up.

No it is not made up and is what happens when you don't have a union! Just do what management tells you to do.

 

[HA25]

What picture can I use? xxxxxxx made me take it down? I wonder why?

M

You can't use real names, or pictures on this forum.. please stop or you might be banned.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Jetblue tried experimenting with this years ago illegally.

While not supportive of the transcon turn, you comment is completely false.

 

[get2flyin]

I wish you bickering d-bags would just knock it off. It's like dealing with my kids in the back seat. "He started it!", "No, she started it". I don't think anybody cares who started it anymore. Could you possibly get back on the topic or just exchange phone numbers and hash it out one-on-one?

Is there any source for the supposed implementation of these limitations or is this just what somebody "heard"? Geesh.

 

[Mr Hat]

theres nothing awesome about losing days off because of a new rest rule that was unwarrented. This all comes about because of the Buffalo crash where company induced fatigue was NOT the issue.

The rules are fine...the new ones will only make us less productive and we're all going to lose days off as a result. When I go to work, I want to work. Prepare for QOL to go out the window.

 

[Ty Webb]

I think those numbers sound good. Whats one more hour of flight. Max sked 12hr duty day is good.

AirTran pilots already have a max scheduled duty day. This would be worse than what we already have, if it went to 9 hours flying. No thanks.

There should be no extension beyond 12 hours . . . and nine hours flight should only be allowed for transcon turns, not four legs of flying with 30 minute turns.

 

[HA25]

theres nothing awesome about losing days off because of a new rest rule that was unwarrented. This all comes about because of the Buffalo crash where company induced fatigue was NOT the issue.

The rules are fine...the new ones will only make us less productive and we're all going to lose days off as a result. When I go to work, I want to work. Prepare for QOL to go out the window.

Here's a novel idea... maybe Pilots can grab their you know whats and demand better work and QOL.. and let the FAA rules govern as a base level of safety which should never be exceeded? There was a time in this profession when unions were worth something..

 

[n757st]

theres nothing awesome about losing days off because of a new rest rule that was unwarrented. This all comes about because of the Buffalo crash where company induced fatigue was NOT the issue.

The rules are fine...the new ones will only make us less productive and we're all going to lose days off as a result. When I go to work, I want to work. Prepare for QOL to go out the window.

No, the rules are not fine. 16 hours of work is dangerous and unwarranted in a safety critical workplace.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

theres nothing awesome about losing days off because of a new rest rule that was unwarrented. This all comes about because of the Buffalo crash where company induced fatigue was NOT the issue.

The rules are fine...the new ones will only make us less productive and we're all going to lose days off as a result. When I go to work, I want to work. Prepare for QOL to go out the window.

Seriously??? Did you really just say that? 16 hours at work flying a 200K pound airplane is not safe!
That's TWICE as long as the average American works per day, and American's work more than most every other nation on Earth. Yet you think it's okay to be forced to work twice as long? Are you crazy or are you a robot? Or are you airline management?

 

[Metro752]

Wow..... there is no charge for awesomeness...or attractivenesss....

I am a joto

Sources? You pillow biter you!

 

[IBNAV8R]

Safety First: unless it's inconvenient.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Seriously??? Did you really just say that? 16 hours at work flying a 200K pound airplane is not safe!
That's TWICE as long as the average American works per day, and American's work more than most every other nation on Earth. Yet you think it's okay to be forced to work twice as long? Are you crazy or are you a robot? Or are you airline management?

I had 16 hour duty days in the AF and it was waiverable up to 18... But even with 16 hour duty days, you're still limited to 8 hours of scheduled flying-- which is doable.. Start up with 9 hours of flying-- think of the consequences, ie> MCO-BOG could now be a turn, flights where a relief officer allowed for turns may now be accomplished with just the minimum crew, and worst yet, think of those 4-5 leg days with minimum turns or flying from FL up to JFK then out west-- makes for a long, long day... I don't think this will open up to more hiring, the companies will find a way to make it productive for themselves

 

[Whine Lover]

"....the companies will find a way to make it productive for themselves..."

Bingo.

Most intelligent comment of the day. ( And on FI it sometimes takes many days to find one. )

That is exactly what will happen, and is the political/business motivation behind the rule change.


YKW