FAA punishment??

[viper548]

bummer

 

[Sir Humpalot]

Keep your head up. This does not mean the end of your career. I know it is easier said than done but i also was in a fight with the FAA and i thought it was the end of my career. I am working right now and my employer knows about it.

If there is any advise you need, just send me a private message.

peace

 

[fdxmd11pilot]

you'll be fine, i know 2 guys both multi ifr rated that blasted through bravo w/o clearance. one is a airline fo about to make capt., the other a frieghtdog

Landover,

Please explain to me the difference between an "airline fo about to make capt" and a "freightdog". I guess I still don't get it. Is the airline guy the one whose about to lose his job, while the freightdog is moving up the seniority ladder at a fast rate, flying bigger and bigger jets while his "airline" buddy is going backwards. If that's what you meant, then I understand.

 

[aLear31pilot]

Tug driver,
I had a run in that maybe parallels yours years ago with about 800 hours. I came out of the clouds after a four hour flight, had a private pilot sitting in the pax seat flipping gadgets telling me I was there. Two identically laid out airports 5 miles away from eachother. One controlled, one not. Guess which one I was aiming for and which one I got??? Yep. Landed at the controlled one, with no communication. Ever get that heart just hit my pucker hole feeling as you pull off the runway, cursing that dang Citation driver for not making his calls on final, then reading the wrong name on the building.?? lol (now I can at least).
I got a call from the tower when I hit the f.b.o.. They asked for the quick run down and I was just HONEST For what it's worth in today's day and age. I filled out a report and popped it off the next a.m., few weeks later they called and gave me the options from the local fsdo. I was completely HONEST with them once again, I knew I messed up, and was willing to take my licks like a man and not just immediatly run to an attorney as many would tell you to do. They gave me the "this could happen and that could happen"speach and requested my logbook which I sent to them. Stll not having an attorney, they asked me to come in for a meeting, which I did. That afternoon we met and here's what they did. Had to take a course which they provided on ground marking and instrument approaches (?)(pretty much p.p. stuff), gave me a bunch of c.d.s. on related items(free ;-)), 1 hour recurrent training with an instructor, and told me that if I had another incident within the next 12 months, that i would have a 30 day suspension of my license. It stayed on my file for 2 years after date of incident then gone.
End of story. Never came up again. Nothing more than another story on here, but after I met them, I realized they weren't all standing in "grim reaper" outfits waiting to cook my goose, they actually just wanted to keep the sky as safe as I did, and didn't want to come to my smokin hole in the ground.
Best of luck to ya!

 

[atlcrashpad]

Keep us updated

Tug Driver,

Keep us posted on you situation. We are pulling for you. The net is a vast resource of info and there is always someone out there that can pull something for you. Good luck.

 

[landlover]

Landover,

Please explain to me the difference between an "airline fo about to make capt" and a "freightdog". I guess I still don't get it. Is the airline guy the one whose about to lose his job, while the freightdog is moving up the seniority ladder at a fast rate, flying bigger and bigger jets while his "airline" buddy is going backwards. If that's what you meant, then I understand.

well the class bravo occurance happened years ago, while one now is in ground school to become a captain, the other is now flying cargo.
two different pilots, both progressing.

 

[Tug Driver]

Thanks again to everyone for all your help.

I got a letter in the mail today from the FAA. It was a warning notice. It states that it will be on my record for 2 years.

I am greatful that this ordeal is over. Even though its on my record for 2 years, it could of been worse. Ill take it as a learning experience. I did not have to use the NASA report that I filed so I have that in my back pocket.

All in all, I think that I will take this as a sign from God...saying...

That I better finish my 4 year degree and not have all my eggs in the aviation basket.

Thats my interpretation anyway.
Thanks Again.
tug

 

[atlcrashpad]

FAA punishment

Tugdriver,

I'm glad it is over for you. Let it roll off of your back and put it behind you. Two years will be over before you know it. Good luck and all the best.

 

[501261]

Ya I wouldn't worry too much about it, just about everybody and there mother at some point busted an altitude, most of us just got lucky and nothing else became of it. So we can all relate.

Good idea though about getting a degree and not putting all the eggs in one basket.

 

[Metro752]

I stopped putting all my eggs in the flying basket because of this website, ANDDDDDDDDDDD flying basket and eggs don't mix, the eggs could easily fall out and break.


Glad to hear everything turned out AAA ok~!

 

[PAPA FOX!]

Thread ressurected!!

I read through this whole thread and was wondering if you do decide to go before an NTSB ALJ to appeal a violation, what typically is the cost range from start to finish when you involve an attorney. I'm guessing around 5K but really have no idea. If anyone can give me a ballpark figure I'd appreciate it very much.


Tug Driver,

Glad to see that it wasn't any worse for you. 2 yrs will be up before you know it and it will be over and done with. I am very happy you had a good attitude and took responsibility for your mistake.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Cost depends on the violation and the type of evidence needed to defend it. Need an expert witness, for example? Those fees may cost more that the attorney.

Your guess is as good as any in a vacuum.

 

[avbug]

I read through this whole thread and was wondering if you do decide to go before an NTSB ALJ to appeal a violation, what typically is the cost range from start to finish when you involve an attorney. I'm guessing around 5K but really have no idea. If anyone can give me a ballpark figure I'd appreciate it very much.

The cost to Bob Hoover was what, three million dollars? Six million? Anybody?

 

[Say Again Over]

Others will correct me if I am wrong but this equals NO incident and NO accident in my opinion, good for applications.

 

[Dumbledore]

Be careful for the next two years! Seriously!

I did not have to use the NASA report that I filed so I have that in my back pocket.

The reason you didn't have to use the ASRS report is because that's only necessary when the FAA decides to suspend your license. They didn't do that. They warned you.

Now, what they probably forgot to tell you in that warning is that while you're off the legal hook right now, if you do anything wrong in the next two years that results in a violation, they'll not only zap you for the new offense but they'll also try to get you for the one you're on "probation" for right now. At the very least they will use the fact that you were already under a warning notice to prove their case that you're some sort of miscreant in the second case. They'll claim that you have a history of failure to adhere to regulations.

For the next two years it will be doubly important to do things by the book. Don't let anyone push you into corners that are too sticky to get out of. Your POI probably knows, or will become aware, of your standing with the FAA right now. Depending on who that person is from an integrity standpoint you may have someone who sees a chink in the armor of a certificate holder (your employer) or an individual (you) that deserves a little more poking and prodding to see if it will fail. Keep in mind too that if anyone ramp checks you they will run your file and discover that you're under the gun and might try to push something along if they need to score some points to get a promotion or a transfer.

Not trying to rain on your parade but those are realities that are often not explained to folks in your position and you need to be aware of them.

Good job getting the fire put out. Now just keep it ouT!