FAA Proposes to Raise Airline Pilot Qualification Standards

[ASA_Aviator]

Did you get a chance to see the actual Data? The study you are most likely referencing was bought and paid for by AABI. You can check it out here....

http://www.aabi.aero/2010 Pilot Source Study_Results V2.pdf

Given who paid for it, and when and why the study was begun, I have a tough time finding it impartial.

Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics you know......

Look, I'm not saying that part 61 guys are inferior. In my opinion, the 141 guys do better because on average, the 141 guys are 141 because airline is the goal, whereas most 61 guys didn't start with a goal of an airline. I was a 61 guy for my private. I instructed part 141 and part 61. The 141 guys were more driven and more dedicated. My best student was part 61 though. A "natural."

 

[Raskal]

Did you get a chance to see the actual Data? The study you are most likely referencing was bought and paid for by AABI. You can check it out here....

http://www.aabi.aero/2010 Pilot Source Study_Results V2.pdf

Given who paid for it, and when and why the study was begun, I have a tough time finding it impartial.

Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics you know......

Yep,

Always follow the money...there ye shall find the truth.

 

[brokeflyer]

this is great proposal, now if they can just get it past the bull******************** lobbyist that work for the airlines.

safety is their number one concern.....as long as it dont cost anything.

 

[flyrt]

uh ohh the regionals airlines pool of cheap pilots is in jeopardy. They better get there lobbyists' on this right away!

 

[COOPERVANE]

Remember..............safety is our #3 priority!!

 

[N813CA]

in 2000 I had 900 hours at UND and was hired before I graduated... I was the low time guy that got hired then, so not so true about 141 schools sending out 250 hour guys at that time anyways...

 

[CaribPilot]

remember..............safety is our #3 priority!!

lolol

 

[414Flyer]

To clarify, a guy who goes to some 141 school and gets a four-year degree in "aviation" can jump ahead of a guy who studies engineering and builds his time at a 61 school. Is this right? Seems kinda...dumb.

At least it's a step in the right direction.

Yeah that is dumb. An aviation degree should not be some short cut for hours. I am sure UND or Embry Riddle lobbied for that part.

I am way past this number of hours so it does not affect me, but I did mine pt 61, while getting a science degree. An aviation degree does not make anyone a pilot and ERAU should not compare itself to Harvard.

 

[acpilot]

Yeah that is dumb. An aviation degree should not be some short cut for hours. I am sure UND or Embry Riddle lobbied for that part.

I am way past this number of hours so it does not affect me, but I did mine pt 61, while getting a science degree. An aviation degree does not make anyone a pilot and ERAU should not compare itself to Harvard.

Sorry...you're just not qualified. You didn't learn about airplanes for four years.

 

[comrcap]

I'll bet the buffalo pilots had college degrees. It doesn't mean Dick. Experience counts and you can't discount it. 1500 hrs.
Minimum for 121ops.

 

[IslandDriver]

I would bet both of those pilots in BUF met the new mins when they got hired at CJC. It would be interesting to know. I know thier hours at their hiring was noted somewhere. I know the Capt was a Gulfsteam guy. Don't know about the FO.

 

[atpcliff]

This rule goes into effect 1 Aug 2013, per Congressional law.

cliff
HKG

 

[dooork]

I would bet both of those pilots in BUF met the new mins when they got hired at CJC. It would be interesting to know. I know thier hours at their hiring was noted somewhere. I know the Capt was a Gulfsteam guy. Don't know about the FO.

I like how everyone always mentions Gulfstream when speaking of this accident. I am not a GS fan but, this accident was a Colgon accident,happened on a Colgon Q400 with a Colgon trained crew,trained and passed by Colgon instructors. This accident fits squarely on the CA,FO, and Colgon. The CA did not have an accident in the 1900 at Gulfstream.

 

[IslandDriver]

Only mentioned GSA to point out he had training at an advanced school and worked there possibly giving him the amount of time that would have met the new mind.

 

[atpcliff]

I think the reason people mention Gulfstream is that, if you had the money, it was an easy way to get started with 0 experience.

If an ATP was required, he could not have been "hired" at Gulfstream...so would he have even become an airline pilot???

cliff
DXB

 

[rickair7777]

I would bet both of those pilots in BUF met the new mins when they got hired at CJC. It would be interesting to know. I know thier hours at their hiring was noted somewhere. I know the Capt was a Gulfsteam guy. Don't know about the FO.

The CA was definitely a low-timer when hired. The FO almost had 1500 hours. It's all in the NSB report

 

[Talian]

I'll bet the buffalo pilots had college degrees. It doesn't mean Dick. Experience counts and you can't discount it. 1500 hrs.
Minimum for 121ops.

I agree a degree does nothing to make a safer pilot. One of the best pilots I learned to fly with is a senior captain at southwest and Is in his mid forties and never spent one day in college.

 

[paid4training]

But your 100k to a 141 school does!!! I wonder how many dollars were spent by ATP and others to have exemption.