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Lrjtcaptain

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A little online memo I read today in the tower today. Kinda sad to see a bunch of controllers retire and no plans in the near future to replace them. What is the FAA gonna do? Understaff every facility and hope the problem goes away!




Well there is No money to hire controllers this year and the Agtency is
not asking for money for next year for hiring. This despite the fact that the
Administrrator is predicting a Tsunami of retirements down the road. Does
this make sense? Hell no! Personally I think if you have a Tsuanmi coming
you should prepare for it as soon as possible. Not wait until the last
minute. You know that they call people who wait until the last minute to
prepare for a Tsunami, right? Missing.
I don't want to be among the missing. I think we should be hring at Least 3-
400 a year just for the WPAC region.
Bob and I were checking some numbers we recently got from the FAA. At this
moment there are 79 controllers and Supervisors eligible to retire at SCT.
Thats out of about 300. One bad day and they all can go. Instantaneously!
What do you think the plan is if they all go? Do you think they have a plan?
It's going to get worse before it gets better.
 
Yeah, I can see it in the very near future. I don't think the Tracons or ARTCC will ever go contract but the towers are not too far away. I do like the tower but see myself in a TRACON so if its contract the towers they want, contract away. Give me a level9 or higher, and big ass radar and tell flow to cancel the 10 in trail or the ground delay, i can take em all....J/k!
 
Privitization

I am in the process of applying to a school in Minneapolis for air traffic control. They train for the enroute centers. However, they just shut the door on new applications, so I'm finding myself somewhat stuck in the middle. Thankfully, I have a backup plan for another school. Unfortunately, it trains for the towers, which will fall victim to the privitization bug first.

I agree that it seems odd that the FAA is not doing any hiring of new controllers when so many are eligible for retirement now and within the next few years. I guess this is the preliminary work for privitization. It's sad to see this happen, because the success of privitized ATC is in question for those who have gone to it (ie: Canada, Eurocontrol). While our current system does seem to leave much to be desire and something needs to be done about it soon, privitization does not seem to be the most wise decision.

Lrjtcaptain, do you have any advice as to the best way into the ATC field these days? Or is the answer to avoid it altogether?
 
Well, definatly don't avoid it. Its like flying, the market is tough but if you want to do it, then do it, dont just go another route and wish you hung on. Controllers arent going anywhere and I don't see any radar facilities getting hit with privitazation anytime soon. The towers are gonna get hit first. And when that happens all us tower guys and gals are gonna fill the gaps at the enroute and approach facilities. However, even if the majority of towers do go contract, there will still be plenty of jobs for the newcomers. It may be a year or two before OKC opens the doors again for training but it has to happen or there will be aluminum showers once a week if they understaff and overwork us.
 
hey labbats. You know me :-) I would never let that happen! You ever figure out the proper hold entry into Marion? LOL!
 
Doing more with less

It's a world-wide phenomenon: Everyone is doing more with less.

The truth is ATC has been short handed ever since Reagan fired them way back in 1980.

The only reason we still have the best ATC system in the world is due to the dedication and professionalism of controllers nationwide.

The work overtime like nobody's business and consistently provide an awesome service with virtually no interruption.

Re: Privatization. I'd like to say if ain't broken don't fix it, but somebody's always gotta screw with something.
 
my two cents

Having just finished a CTI program in December, I'm getting anxious about ATC hiring as well.

The head of my school's aeronautics department sends update e-mails to current and former students regularly. This is an excerpt from the most recent one, sent early this month after he participated in a teleconference between FAA regional offices, FAA CTI headquarters, and colleges participating in the CTI program:

"The FAA reorganizational process is continuing, with the new Air
Traffic Organization (ATO) taking shape slowly. ATC hiring and other budget-related decisions will be paused until this reorganization is complete. This process includes complete reorganization within the FAA Western Pacific Regional Office, and it is expected that student geographic preferences (elected when you pass the OPM/AT-SAT) will be handled differently in the future. The new process will allow election of terminal/enroute preferences as well as geographic preferences. Students
who have already elected their geographic preferences can be expected to be contacted by the FAA as part of this revised process, with an opportunity to select new geographic preferences and to include terminal/enroute preferences.

ATC hiring is expected to resume sometime after July 2004 and almost certainly no later than September 2004. FAA Academy training (Oklahoma City) is currently shut down.

Currently there are 361 CTI graduates on the FAA hiring list
nationwide. From this group, 100 were in-process FAA hires when the pause hit. These students have already undergone various phases of security and medical certification and are now on hold status. The age-30 and two-year CTI graduation limits are waived for these in-process applicants during the pause in ATC hiring. For the remainder of the graduates (that leaves 261), the age-30 and two-year CTI graduation limit clock continues to tick. The FAA estimates that 10 percent of these students are approaching one of these hiring limits (mostly the two-year limit). For the remainder, it is expected that the hiring pause will end prior to the expiration of these limits. Previously, these limits were considered absolute and without waiver. The 30-year limit definitely will remain binding, but there is a small chance that the two-year graduation limit may be temporarily lifted to protect graduates affected by this hiring pause.

Although that is the official word from the teleconference, my
personal perception is that the two-year limit will not be waived based on the discussion that I have participated in with CTI officials."

For what it's worth, that's the last word I heard. But I'm not on the inside...I'm just trying to get in!

Stephanie
 
That actually explains a lot as to why Minneapolis shut the door on new applications. Sucks that we all have to wait it out.

Thanks for the post Ravengirl! Just out of curiosity, which school did you go to and how did it work out for you?
 
Pilotman,

I went to Mt. San Antonio College in Walnut, CA (it's in east Los Angeles County.) I found the program to be pretty easy, and very straightforward. I don't feel unprepared at all. It was definitely time well spent. Since it's a community college, it wasn't nearly so expensive as some of the other schools. Additionally, the teachers and people are great- the program is small enough that everyone feels like family. I recommend it without reservation. Yeah, parking sucked, and it was **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** hot out there during summer and early fall, but I wouldn't trade the experience for anything.

Now I just wait to be hired...

Stephanie
 
I considered that program, but found the move to be difficult. I love the midwest and east coast, and am going to try my best to stay there.

Best wishes on the hiring.....
 
Thats a bunch of BS that the FAA is now allowing the new hires the option of Terminal or enroute. I was just given the bid sheet as to what region I wanted and ended up like most CTI's do in the Tower.
 
I do know some of the towers in Minneapolis are already private. Anoka is a contract tower. I know for sure Crystal is still FAA. Don't know about the rest.
 
Yeah, my tower is in the top 3 for contracts.....just waiting for them to knock on the door and say okay, train our guys and then go somewhere else.
That would be just fine with me.
 
Lrjtcaptain said:
Yeah, my tower is in the top 3 for contracts.....just waiting for them to knock on the door and say okay, train our guys and then go somewhere else.
That would be just fine with me.

The guys up at Anoka are retired controllers from ohare and msp. They are pretty cool. They love the slower pace and they know so many of the people that fly there. Its like having a friend keeping an eye on you.
 
This hiring freeze is serious and hiring this Fiscal Year does not look good. Here in Eastern Region I have info from 2 top sources that they only have the budget to hire 10 people for FY 04'. FY 05' does not look much better.

Marion Blakey testified before congress in February that the FAA has plenty of controllers, she just needs us to work a complete 8 hour day. There is a lot going on that I cannot post on a public board... at my facitlity (and many around the country) there has been a full out assult by management and it is coming from the very top (White House). It will only get worse if Bush gets elected again.

There will be no more regions as we know them now... With the new Air Traffic Organization run by the former executive at AA the whole structure is changing, I'm told all hiring is going to be done through OKC.

Below is an article to give you folks some background.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004



How the Federal Aviation Administration will contain personnel costs in a tight budget environment, while at the same time working to replace an anticipated wave of air traffic controller retirements over the next few years, was a major focus of a March 17 hearing before the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Transportation, Treasury, and Independent Agencies.

In discussing the administration's $13.97 billion fiscal year 2005 budget request for the agency, FAA Administrator Marion C. Blakey told the subcommittee that one of her major objectives is reducing operating costs.

Kenneth M. Mead, inspector general for the Transportation Department, noted that reducing operating costs is difficult at FAA, in which approximately 73 percent of its operating budget for the FY 2005 planned budget is composed of salaries and benefits. Last year, he noted, the average base salary for FAA employees was $87,000. Mead estimated that the base salary in 2004 for air traffic controllers will be approximately $110,000.

Collective Bargaining MOUs.

Blakey said that FAA has taken steps to rein in rising personnel costs through changes to the oversight of the collective bargaining process with employees represented by the National Air Traffic Controllers Association.

Amendments to past basic bargaining agreements were put in place through memoranda of understandings (MOU), which sometimes greatly increased FAA personnel costs, Blakey said.

Mead told the committee that "FAA had virtually no controls over the process" for approving these MOUs. One renegotiated MOU, he noted, allowed air traffic controllers to be paid at the higher rate for a position they were to transfer into prior to having actually started to work in the new position.

Over the past year, FAA has implemented "a strict new internal process for reviewing all labor agreements," Blakey said.

As part of a two-year extension of its agreement with NATCA, reached Dec. 9, 2003, the union agreed to rescind many of the most costly outstanding MOUs, Blakey added.

Pay-for-Performance.

Blakey noted that the renegotiated contract extension with NATCA also approved implementation of a more extensive pay-for-performance compensation system (41 GERR 1233, 12/16/03).

Negotiations are ongoing with the Professional Airways Systems Specialists union over instituting expanded pay-for-performance coverage for employees represented by PASS at FAA, Blakey said.

In his written testimony, Mead said that 78 percent of FAA's workforce now is covered by a pay-for-performance plan, up from 36 percent at this time last year.

"We are committed to negotiating pay-for-performance with our unions until 100 percent of our workforce is under the system," Blakey said.

Subcommittee Chairman Ernest Istook (R-Okla.) called the FAA's request an "extremely challenging budget situation," noting that the high incidence of overtime pay at the agency did not make budgeting easy. He told Blakey that FAA overtime costs are too high, and he noted that one employee made more than $50,000 last year in overtime.

Blakey said the agency is working to rein in overtime costs.

Mead said the agency has assigned management teams to investigate reports of overtime abuse, but still needs to engage in a nationwide review to determine whether there are systemic abuses of the overtime system.

ATC Attrition, Retirement.

An expected increase in air traffic controller attrition over the next few years poses a significant challenge for the agency, Mead said.

There will be a large increase in the number of controllers who become eligible for retirement, due in part to the tenure of those replacement controllers hired after the 1981 ATC strike, Mead said. The number of controllers eligible to retire will peak in 2007, and over the next nine years FAA estimates that nearly 7,100 controllers will leave the agency. Over the last eight years, FAA has faced attrition of only 2,100 controllers, Mead pointed out.

While it is unclear whether FAA will actually need to replace every one of the expected 7,100 controllers that leave the agency through 2012 due to possible changes in technology and air travel growth, Mead said, "it is clear that as a result of the anticipated increases in attrition, FAA will begin hiring and training controllers at levels that the Agency has not experienced since the early 1980s."

FAA has renegotiated with NATCA so that it may compensate starting controllers in training at rates from $25,000 to $52,000 per year rather than the current average of $79,000 per year, Mead said. Although this will help to control costs, the cost to the agency of conducting the necessary training is not clear, he said.

A final problem is that, due to an MOU limiting FAA's ability to track individual employee work habits, the agency has not yet been able to institute a system to collect productivity data at individual worksites in order to create a labor distribution model, Mead said. Such a distribution system would help the agency to anticipate not only that it will need to hire new controllers, but where those controllers will need to be located, he said.
 
Contract Tower Program: A focal point of the privatization debate, this program has produced a number of safety concerns, including understaffed towers and lack of sufficient training for controllers. While the Federal Aviation Administration argues that private towers have a better safety record than FAA towers, the U.S. General Accounting Office dismissed that theory and the methodology used, stating that comparisons of operational error rates alone are "not sufficient to draw conclusions about the relative safety records of air traffic facilities."

the Federal Aviation Administration argues that private towers have a better safety record than FAA towers

gee, i wonder why? Oh yeah, cause our Sup's and CIC's make us report our deals.....the contract facilities never have them reported but they probably have twice as many seperation errors.
 

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