FAA needs to hear that more than 8 hours flying per day will not make the skys safer

[JoeMerchant]

Crx you're an idiot. And it goes w/o saying that Joey is too. Hoping the direction it goes is in line with the rest of the logical world.

We're idiots for wanting to keep 3 on, 4 off schedules?

 

[waveflyer]

So you got yours don't you Joey?

What about all your pilots getting run ragged by regulations that don't remotely address fatigue? And your assuming, btw, what changes would be made to your schedule- that's why you're an idiot.... Well, one reason.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

JM, like most humans, does not want to change.

Most of the negativity about the impending FAA Flight/Duty/Rest rule changes, the US Health Care System changes, and Obama being President (after 8 yrs of Republican rule, and from a WHITE guy to a BLACK guy), are all the same.

Change is scary, and people do not like it, due to a lot of different factors.

Even when change is obviously for the good, to dramatically improve something, MANY people will be vehemently against it.

What IS ironic, is that our universe is DESIGNED by God for MASSIVE change, all the time! Here we are, in the midst of a Universe that often has dramatic and radical change, often daily, and we want everything to be the same, every day. It causes a lot of angst.

Republican leadership are very adept at playing on people's fears, so that they can control people, and keep the money rolling in! Democratic leadership also do it, but to a lesser degree, and they are not as good at it.

cliff
NBO

 

[Blue Dude]

Republican leadership are very adept at playing on people's fears, so that they can control people, and keep the money rolling in! Democratic leadership also do it, but to a lesser degree, and they are not as good at it.

Off topic rant: Hah! They *all* do it, and they are masters of it. Republicans play up national security fears. Democrats play up cuts in entitlements, "tax breaks for the rich", etc. if they're not reelected. They all use fear to spend our money on their pet projects and/or themselves. They all do nothing but grow government, no matter what they say. They all are interested in growing their own power and restricting our freedoms.

In short, they all suck hard. In 2010 and 2012, fire them all. We can hardly do worse.

Back on topic, sorry.

 

[pilotyip]

Total Safeety

So you got yours don't you Joey?

What about all your pilots getting run ragged by regulations that don't remotely address fatigue? And your assuming, btw, what changes would be made to your schedule- that's why you're an idiot.... Well, one reason.

I agree bring it on, But I ask what is the limit of ultimate crew rest? Everyone only works when they feel rested; they can call fatigue at any time during a trip, and refuse any assignment because they are not rested? How about a stopping a non-stop JFK-LAX at OMA, because they feel fatiqued from that exhausting 10 hour jumpseat commute to pick that trip at JFK. How about no flying between 2200 and 0800, make it against the law? How about those 16 hour int'l flights? Will there now be stops and crew changes at BIRK? Followed by a RO2N to be fully rested for that last leg into Europe. I have no dog in this flight, but "unintended consequences" may have devastating effects on the industry.

 

[Networ-King]

We're idiots for wanting to keep 3 on, 4 off schedules?

Joe,

You usually have pretty good posts here, but this one and your previous one about this topic has to be one of your special "genitool type" rants. You have the me me me attitude on this one. Yes there will be changes and you will have to manipulate your schedule to improve your QOL, but this is about safety and fatigue... .something that the all airlines have been abusing for years "because it's legal". Whether you believe it or not, this is a good thing and remember.... you can never please EVERYONE, but this is a move in the right direction.

Net

 

[Vegaspilot99]

Bumping flight time limits from 8 to 9 hours in a day isn't such a big deal, but if they do they need to have some kind of limiting factor on number of legs in there. Last thing I want is a 7 leg day because they can squeeze an extra turn in there. 5 is more than enough. 3 is even better.

 

[pilotyip]

pilot also

Joe,

..but this is about safety and fatigue... .something that the all airlines have been abusing for years "because it's legal"....

and pilots are not guilty of this? Not counting a 8 hr hour all night JS into a 12 hr duty day or flying for the reserves on a 12 hours translant and going to work 6 hours later, somehow that is the airlines fault?

 

[CFI2766]

Hi!

JM, like most humans, does not want to change.

Most of the negativity about the impending FAA Flight/Duty/Rest rule changes, the US Health Care System changes, and Obama being President (after 8 yrs of Republican rule, and from a WHITE guy to a BLACK guy), are all the same.

Change is scary, and people do not like it, due to a lot of different factors.

Even when change is obviously for the good, to dramatically improve something, MANY people will be vehemently against it.

What IS ironic, is that our universe is DESIGNED by God for MASSIVE change, all the time! Here we are, in the midst of a Universe that often has dramatic and radical change, often daily, and we want everything to be the same, every day. It causes a lot of angst.

Republican leadership are very adept at playing on people's fears, so that they can control people, and keep the money rolling in! Democratic leadership also do it, but to a lesser degree, and they are not as good at it.

cliff
NBO

Filled with logic. Good post.