FAA Misses Deadline On Fatigue Rules

[resetjet]

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/faa_deadline_pilot_fatigue_rules_rest_205823-1.html?

 

[asayankee]

Missed it again......way to go Congress! Perhaps we can form a committee to study why we missed it this time, again???? Perhaps because we're still waiting for the airline lobbies to pay us our bribes.....I mean money to side with them.....

 

[Jar Jar]

Just another example of the government workers in 'Merika feeling absolutely zero pressure to complete a quality job in a timely manner. They are entitled to above market wages, light workloads, extreme job security, pensions, and sweet benefits that all the rest of us pay for. With all the extra cash coming in from lobbyists on this topic why on Earth would they stop the gravy train?

 

[OPECJet]

FAA: Federally Aiding Airlines.

 

[Always deferred]

Can't blame the FAA on this one. This is a result of trade associations and congress. I know a lot of FAAers putting in extra time trying to get this out but can't get beyond the red tape.

 

[JustaNumber]

The article says they missed the August 1 deadline, and then missed the deadline extension of Nov 30. Does anyone know if they threw out another BS "deadline" to aim for?

 

[SiuDude]

The article says they missed the August 1 deadline, and then missed the deadline extension of Nov 30. Does anyone know if they threw out another BS "deadline" to aim for?

December 30th.

 

[Brasilia Pup]

November 31. I know that date doesn't exist. Just making a point about how incompetent Congress is.

 

[Raoul Duke]

they rules they put out were crap so I have no problem with them missing the deadline.

 

[kmox29]

They are entitled to above market wages, light workloads, extreme job security, pensions, and sweet benefits that all the rest of us pay for.

You must be talking about Congress. Because none of that is true at the FAA.

However, I do believe that government employees will become the poster child for spending cuts. It's much easier to fool the general public into believing things like which you wrote, than really addressing the problems.

 

[Nevets]

they rules they put out were crap so I have no problem with them missing the deadline.

Curious, why are they crap?

 

[Jar Jar]

It's much easier to fool the general public into believing things like which you wrote, than really addressing the problems.

Yea, I've been fooled by a lifetime of experience.

I'm just gullible for thinking that an overreaching incompetent federal government is unacceptable. Wouldn't it be nice if fools like me didn't have a vote? Then you could just collect our revenues and distribute them to your buddies without having to care what we think.

 

[Raskal]

Just another example of the government workers in 'Merika feeling absolutely zero pressure to complete a quality job in a timely manner. They are entitled to above market wages, light workloads, extreme job security, pensions, and sweet benefits that all the rest of us pay for. With all the extra cash coming in from lobbyists on this topic why on Earth would they stop the gravy train?

I don't even know where to begin except to say this could be one of the most ignorant posts ever. Exactly what government are you referring to? It isn't the US government workforce, that's certain.

I have an idea, why don't you walk up to the nearest police officer and tell them about the "sweet benefits" you pay for and how they're overpaid? Better yet, tell them about all the benefits you happily gave up so you could do this job and then look down upon those not desperate enough to do the same in their profession.

You think the average FAA employee enjoys the "sweet benefits" you mentioned? Really? Maybe you should look into it sometime rather than going upstairs and asking daddy's opinion.

 

[kmox29]

Yea, I've been fooled by a lifetime of experience.

I'm just gullible for thinking that an overreaching incompetent federal government is unacceptable. Wouldn't it be nice if fools like me didn't have a vote? Then you could just collect our revenues and distribute them to your buddies without having to care what we think.

*sigh* Look, I'm not a liberal. I know it would really help your "argument" if I were, but I'm not.

However, I do work for the FAA (The Big Evil Government, in your world). If you wouldn't mind, please show me all the "sweet bennefits" I'm getting, my awesome retirement, and how I'm so overpaid compared to my private industry counterpart.

What I could do, is use your ignorant logic and say that the only reason I pay so much for airfare is because of you overpaid (I heard you make $250K/year), underworked (I heard you only work 75 hours a month), and unionized (ah yes, the "evil" unions) pilots.

...or is that not accurate?

 

[kmox29]

Maybe you should look into it sometime rather than going upstairs and asking daddy's opinion.

What's really sad is that people who listen/watch CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc. can't seperate fact from entertainment/opinion. THOSE are the voters that scare me.

 

[JustaNumber]

What's really sad is that people who listen/watch CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc. can't seperate fact from entertainment/opinion. THOSE are the voters that scare me.

No need to denigrate entire groups of people here based on what they watch. Let's actually look at some facts here.

In a comparison of jobs that exist in both the public and private sector, here are the facts:

The average federal government salary in 2008 was $67,691, with an additional $40,785 in annual benefits, for a total annual compensation of $108,476.

The average private salary in 2008 was $60,046, with an additional $9882 in annual benefits, for a total annual compensation of $69,928.

Therefore, the average federal worker is compensated $38,548 more per year than his/her private counterpart, which is a full 55% additional compensation.

Source: an analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics data

I hope this separates fact from opinion.

 

[JustaNumber]

Back to the thread topic...

Can't blame the FAA on this one. This is a result of trade associations and congress. I know a lot of FAAers putting in extra time trying to get this out but can't get beyond the red tape.

Can't blame the trade associations either; can you blame them for not wanting to be regulated? They shouldn't have any say in the matter, though. So that leaves Congress and the FAA. Supposedly Congress mandated that the FAA meet the deadline, so I don't think it's Congress' fault. Apparently someone at a high level in the FAA is bowing to pressure from the trade associations, and that spells CORRUPTION. But that's no surprise from DC these days.

 

[atpcliff]

I read that the holdup is in the Office of Mgmt and Budget at the White House, so it is Obama that didn't allow the FAA to release the rules.

If that is the case, then Congress could go to court to sue the Administration to try and have the rules put into effect. Alternatively, Congress could make up the rules themselves, in a new bill, but would then have to have the Prez sign off on it, or override his veto, and then the new Flight/Duty/Rest rules would be in effect.

cliff
ANC

 

[pilotyip]

This is enough to drive a man to drinking, Oh! I guess it did

 

[kmox29]

No need to denigrate entire groups of people here based on what they watch.

You're right. Just like there is no need to denigrate entire workforces based on averages...exactly what you're supporting in your post.

I'll just say that I work my butt off for the FAA (and the taxpayer) and if I were in private industry, I could make more money. However, I like my work and I like the airline I oversee. So the "lost" earnings for me are a trade off. By the way, I'd like to know where the f*#k my $40,785 in benefits are. I had better heath care and retirement at the regional airline I used to fly for.

I don't like it when people lump all government employees in the lazy, overpaid, category. Just as I don't think it's fair to lump all airline pilots in the overpaid and underworked category.

But, back to the original post: The FAA's epic failure to enact rest and duty rules that should have been put in place 15 years ago.

 

[urflyingme?!]

Hey KMOX. The FAA is the worst part about aviation. You may be a smart guy, but half the FAA types I've had in my jumpseat were total morons. I had one ask where my graphical weather was in my release and why don't we have efb's yet. I informed him that HIS organization was holding all that back.

 

[kmox29]

Hey KMOX. The FAA is the worst part about aviation.

I don't know if it's the worst part. I think 1st year FO pay at the regional I was hired at in 1999 was tough. However the FAA is, and will always be, a political agency. Until that changes, politics, not hard working Inspectors will rule the roost. See: Failed Rest Rules Implementation

You may be a smart guy, but half the FAA types I've had in my jumpseat were total morons. I had one ask where my graphical weather was in my release and why don't we have efb's yet.

Only half? ;-) Look, we have our fair share of less-than-stellar employees like most companies, the difference is that some of us get a "tin badge" complex and it only takes one to really ruin it for the others.

I informed him that HIS organization was holding all that back.

Be careful with thoughts like this. I've heard it before...heck, I've even thought it before (when I was flying the line). Where are you getting your information related to the delayed EFBs? Your company?

Having worked both sides now, it's rarely JUST the FAA holding a new process/piece of equipment up. Many times, the company is just as guilty. I don't know if this is the case for your operator, but I would actually call the CHDO (your operator's assigned FAA people) and ask. See for yourself.