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With the new gentler and softer approach by the FAA to have the controllers immediately start initiating actions against pilots for errors, I would like to see the airlines and unions start fighting back. We need the airlines to sue the government for losses when their systems go down.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN2643252620080827?rpc=44

We also need a better way to start actions against our fellow controllers should they actually start an uprising against pilots for problems. How many times have controllers in DFW and New England screwed something up only to have us catch the mistake before it went any further?

Just food for thought.
 

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This should scare off of us, because it does happen.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2008-04-24-faa-dallas-investigation_N.htm

WASHINGTON — Dallas air-traffic controllers hid dozens of safety errors that allowed planes to fly too close together, federal officials said Thursday.
Air-traffic officials blamed pilots for the errors when air traffic managers were actually to blame, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said.
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The inspector general's office found that controllers claimed that 62 such incidents between November 2005 and July 2007 were the fault of pilots when, in fact, controllers had caused the error. The Inspector General Calvin Scovel's report has not been officially released but was described by the FAA.
Similar allegations against the Dallas facility were made in 2004 by a whistle-blower and the FAA promised to reform how errors are reported. However, the fixes "were not executed appropriately," and falsification of records continued, Krakowski said.
They know this goes on... and they are going to fix it, this time, or next time, or they might do the best they can to keep from violating pilots who have complied with screwed up clearances.

Another reason why I don't mind paying my dues to ALPA.
 
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ATR-DRIVR

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With the new gentler and softer approach by the FAA to have the controllers immediately start initiating actions against pilots for errors, I would like to see the airlines and unions start fighting back. We need the airlines to sue the government for losses when their systems go down.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN2643252620080827?rpc=44

We also need a better way to start actions against our fellow controllers should they actually start an uprising against pilots for problems. How many times have controllers in DFW and New England screwed something up only to have us catch the mistake before it went any further?

Just food for thought.
If you think the controllers are "pro-FAA management" and are "out to get the pilots", you are without a doubt, the most uninformed moron in the aviation industry. The last thing in industry needs is to start a pilot-controller war. Do YOUR job and let them do theirs. Your compaints against the FAA should be directed at the problem, MANAGEMENT.
 

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ATR is right, the FAA's controllers are not by any means friendly with the management above them. The managers are probably logging those controller "deals" as pilot-fault because the managers get a bonus if their tower/facility meets certain operational goals, one of which is not having too many "deals" that are controller-fault.

And when you get above them in the food chain, you run into a bunch of GS-14 and GS-15 policy writers in DC who don't have a flippin clue what goes on outside their 4'x6' cubicles. You have people writing air traffic policy who have never seen a radar scope, you have people writing airworthiness policy who have never turned a wrench, and you have people writing flight standards policy who probably aren't even pilots. The "trench" workers can do little more than do what they're told and shake their heads in disbelief at the idiocracy in action, knowing full well they can't do a thing to change it.
 

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As a controller, I have no interest in violating pilots. We all make mistakes and unless I have a deal because of it, then I forget about it. I haven't been officially told of this new policy yet. But I'm sure it's coming. But beware, there are a few jackasses out....although I find them to be few and far between.
 

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We also need a better way to start actions against our fellow controllers should they actually start an uprising against pilots for problems. How many times have controllers in DFW and New England screwed something up only to have us catch the mistake before it went any further?

Just food for thought.
Brother, your nuts. We by far have the best controllers bar none.
 

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As a controller, I have no interest in violating pilots. We all make mistakes and unless I have a deal because of it, then I forget about it. I haven't been officially told of this new policy yet. But I'm sure it's coming. But beware, there are a few jackasses out....although I find them to be few and far between.
I have to agree with Slaquer5 and the other guys. You guys do a fanatastic job day in and day out working a saturated system that I'm sure needs massive investment. It's especially obvious when you spend most of your time flying outside the US. If you haven't done it, it's well worth it to tour a control facility, talk with the controllers, and see what they do everyday.
 

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As a controller, I have no interest in violating pilots. We all make mistakes and unless I have a deal because of it, then I forget about it. I haven't been officially told of this new policy yet. But I'm sure it's coming. But beware, there are a few jackasses out....although I find them to be few and far between.
A big thanks to all my controller friends out there!
 

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I agree 100%. We have, bar none, the best controllers in the world.
I would agree, our system does as well as it can despite the piss poor conditions, piss poor pay, and piss poor FAA management.

Good job guys!
 

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I am also a controller at the World's busiest Tower and I have never been briefed, nor would I do it if I were, about violating pilots. We are all in this togther....Aviation is a Team sport and it requires all of us cooperating togther. Rizzo's commets are right on.
 
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Originally Posted by habitual pilot

We also need a better way to start actions against our fellow controllers should they actually start an uprising against pilots for problems. How many times have controllers in DFW and New England screwed something up only to have us catch the mistake before it went any further?

Just food for thought.

Brother, your nuts. We by far have the best controllers bar none.


What about his nuts?
 

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The controllers are doing the best they can in a crowded arena. There is no doubt in my mind that the last thing they want to do it start slinging mud at the pilot....they know that we all screw-up from time to time. I am convinced they really want to work with us, not against us!!!!
 

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I wish when someone gets hired by a 135 or 121 outfit they have to do 2 hours in a center and 2 hours in a tower. The training would entail sitting there while plugged in and see how one does his or her job.

My wife is a center controller and I was lucky enough to go to work with her one day and plug in with one of her fellow co-workers. I sat there for about 1 hour and saw him at one time controlling about 20 planes in his one sector.

FAA management and controllers do not get along, my wife comes home about twice a week in a foul mood because of some manager got on her or one of her crew members for something thats complete BS. One day she got written up for wearing "boy shoes." They were Sketchers shoes, the tag on the shoes said womens size 9... however they still wrote her up.
I know thats a small example, but how would you like to go on break, get written up for something BS like that, come back from break and control 20 planes at a time. Probably the controller will not sound the friendliest.
(just food for thought)
 
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