FAA Administrator urges professionalism, use of SMS

[radarlove]

Yeah, like the copilot brought the flaps up while the captain hauled back on the stick to keep it in a deep stall? That part of the story?

 

[pilotyip]

Back to the eternal question

Babbit is not interested in safety. He is interested in politics...... You get what you pay for Babbit. He just doesn't understand because the ATA keeps shining a bright light in his face.

What is safety? What determines safety? There is a risk management in safety, it is supposed to reduce risk to an acceptable level, not eliminate risk. The only way to eliminate risk in aviation is not to fly. Setting hard standards like 1500 hours does not uniformly reduce risk. We had an ex-USAF pilot apply to JUS. He only had 1350 hours total time, but all of it was multi-TJ. With a type (comm.) in a B-707. Who would be the better pilot, 1505 hours total time mostly SEL CFI, 10 MEL or our under 1500-hour USAF guy? Which would bring a higher level of safety?

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

The relevant question should be who is a safer pilot? One with 250 hours and a Commercial Multi or a pilot with 1500 hours?

The ATP requirement would improve safety and would raise the bar on the bottom end of airline flying.

 

[Beaver79]

I thought he was talking about text messages.............

Me too! And I was confused because I thought wireless devices were illegal in flight....

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

If you want "professionals", you need professional compensation.

You pay bottom feeder pay, you get bottom feeders...

Nu

 

[pilotyip]

can not be answered with data given

The relevant question should be who is a safer pilot? One with 250 hours and a Commercial Multi or a pilot with 1500 hours?

The ATP requirement would improve safety and would raise the bar on the bottom end of airline flying.

The 250 hour pilot just got his wings in the Navy Comm/MEL/Inst civilian comp, all his time is turbine, 150 hours MEL turbine. The 1500 pilot has at SEL ATP, with 5 MEL 2.0 actual inst, and 1495 hour SEL primary VFR CFIing in Arizona. Who is safer?

 

[luckytohaveajob]

The 250 hour pilot just got his wings in the Navy Comm/MEL/Inst civilian comp, all his time is turbine, 150 hours MEL turbine. The 1500 pilot has at SEL ATP, with 5 MEL 2.0 actual inst, and 1495 hour SEL primary VFR CFIing in Arizona. Who is safer?

Extreme non-relevant example. But just to humor you, the 250 hour Navy pilot either failed out of training or was kicked out. 250 hour Navy=loser!

The ATP certificate was a union invention approved by government to promote a higher level of safety standard in the left seat.

In practical application the regionals hire 500 hour pilots as a regular business practice. Eagle advertising in Private Pilot magazine for 500 hour commercial pilots. Eagle churns the bottom of its list because it can not get qualified applicants.

How many 500 hour pilots has your operation hired pilotyip? An ATP requirement would improve this unsafe practice.

 

[wms]

Regardless of the training background, nothing beats practical experience. Mil guys come here with no concept of CRM and no idea what it's like to fly six legs in an environment like the ATL, but they have excellent skill, normally.

Civ guys have to work harder on professionalism and discipline, but have a clue about the aerospace system.

We all have things we need to work on when transitioning to a new work environment.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

agreed.

 

[Kharma Police]

The irony is that Captain Babbitt was hired on at Eastern with low time and no college degree. He was later one of the youngest captains. I'm sure his father, "Slim Babbitt's " involvement with the creation of ALPA and founding of Eastern had nothing to do with his rise through the ranks.........