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[SWAInflt]

No... An uptight person causes everyone on the crew to be on edge and that diminishes performance.

So now someone who is uptight which we now know means "doesn't find boob jokes funny" negatively impacts CRM? Funny, I always thought it was the PIC's responsiblity to do his/her best to make sure the entire crew operates safely and efficiently. I would like to think a good Captain can accomplish this whether or not the entire crew shares the same point of view and sense of humor. Interesting that the wet blanket is expected to get over herself but, nobody else is.

Generally, you have be cautious about people who are wound too tightly--their behavior is upredictable and they (in my experience) are given to exageration when reporting "bad behavior" to management. BTW, Did you work in UAL HR during the mid-90's? You seem very familiar...TC

I See the thing is....the "uptight" people never seem to find themselves called on the carpet. Why? Because if you keep the conversation clean, respectful, and professional, you've got nothing to worry about as there is no bad behavior to report regardless of how tight someone is wound.

 

[VVJM265]

You might like this picture, too, then....


http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=9/27221083289.jpg&s=x2

LOL!! Oh she'll love that one! Thanks.

 

[PlanetK]

So now someone who is uptight which we now know means "doesn't find boob jokes funny" negatively impacts CRM? Funny, I always thought it was the PIC's responsiblity to do his/her best to make sure the entire crew operates safely and efficiently. I would like to think a good Captain can accomplish this whether or not the entire crew shares the same point of view and sense of humor. Interesting that the wet blanket is expected to get over herself but, nobody else is.


I See the thing is....the "uptight" people never seem to find themselves called on the carpet. Why? Because if you keep the conversation clean, respectful, and professional, you've got nothing to worry about as there is no bad behavior to report regardless of how tight someone is wound.

Oh good grief. As another WN f/a, I feel the need to respond to this one. I think it's fair to say that most of the people I work with here aren't nearly this uptight. Having said that, everyone needs to judge their audience before running their mouth. I've seen females AND males tell jokes here that could make just about anyone blush. If you all have a similar sense of humor, then it's no harm - no foul. But of course there's that small percentage that put their thongs on backwards that day.

For the life of me I don't get equating racism with being aware of someone of the opposite sex who is attractive. There is no comparison.

And for the record, as a male flight attendant, the women can be just as bad as the men. Hell, once I had an all female crew and I volunteered for some harassment. Everyone there found it funny.

Alright, I'm ready for retaliation.
PK

 

[SWAInflt]

Oh good grief. As another WN f/a, I feel the need to respond to this one. I think it's fair to say that most of the people I work with here aren't nearly this uptight.

I still just can't get past the fact that standing up for a woman's right to be judged and dealt with based on her abilities not her physical appearance is characterized as "uptight". Once again, I have to ask...would someone who took offense to inappropriate remarks based on race be considered "uptight" as well.

Having said that, everyone needs to judge their audience before running their mouth. I've seen females AND males tell jokes here that could make just about anyone blush. If you all have a similar sense of humor, then it's no harm - no foul. But of course there's that small percentage that put their thongs on backwards that day.

A better solution would be to simply just keep the inappropriate jokes and comments out of the workplace and then it isn't necessary to try to judge whether or not someone will think it is funny. Is it really so much to ask that people go through their work days without remarking on each other's anatomy and telling off-color jokes?

For the life of me I don't get equating racism with being aware of someone of the opposite sex who is attractive. There is no comparison.

There is a comparison. In both cases a person is being reduced to the sum total of their outer appearance. Being aware of someone's attractiveness is one thing...saying they are not qualified to do a job based on that assessment is another. At one point someone said that a certain level of clientel prefers attractive Flight Attendants. Nobody seems to have a problem with that. My guess is that if the statement was that the clients preferred caucasian Flight Attendants everyone's reaction would be different...at least I hope so.

And for the record, as a male flight attendant, the women can be just as bad as the men. Hell, once I had an all female crew and I volunteered for some harassment. Everyone there found it funny.
Alright, I'm ready for retaliation.
PK

No retaliation, we can agree to disagree in a civil manner.

 

[English]

A better solution would be to simply just keep the inappropriate jokes and comments out of the workplace and then it isn't necessary to try to judge whether or not someone will think it is funny.

This isn't the workplace. This is flightinfo. We are free to do things here we normally wouldn't do at work. For some it's a release, for others it's just a form of humor.

I respect your view but lighten up already.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

I still just can't get past the fact that standing up for a woman's right to be judged and dealt with based on her abilities not her physical appearance is characterized as "uptight".

Where in the original post that started this thread did anyone say they were judging anyone solely by their appearance? Where did it say they were looking for women? You are obviously the type that jumps down anyone's throat the moment they cross what you perceive as a politically correct line. You must be a hoot to fly with. This kind of stuff just won't ever fly in the corporate world. Please stay at SWA.

Ace

 

[SWAInflt]

Where in the original post that started this thread did anyone say they were judging anyone solely by their appearance?

It was never the original post that I took issue with...it was the replies.

Where did it say they were looking for women?

Again, my quarrel is not with the orignal post but, rather the replies that quickly followed the essence of which were....'unattractive, flat chested women, need not apply'

You are obviously the type that jumps down anyone's throat the moment they cross what you perceive as a politically correct line.

Maybe I am, maybe I am not. That isn't the point. The point is, in no less than 5 replies the conversation had devolved into a discussion of cup sizes.
Sometimes political correctness is not such a bad thing if it improves the way a person is treated.

You must be a hoot to fly with.

I don't remember seeing 'fun to fly with' in the job description either. As long as I am polite and respectful to my fellow crew and take excellent care of my customers...what difference does it make if I take offense to breast humor?

This kind of stuff just won't ever fly in the corporate world. Please stay at SWA.

I'll make you a deal. I'll let you make your career decisions and you let me make my career decisions. Fair enough?

 

[SWAInflt]

This isn't the workplace. This is flightinfo. We are free to do things here we normally wouldn't do at work. For some it's a release, for others it's just a form of humor.

I respect your view but lighten up already.

This is Flightinfo....but it is also the Flight Attendant section of Flightinfo. Is it really a surprise that a Flight Attendant might not see the humor in some of the comments that started this thread.

 

[bigD]

This is Flightinfo....but it is also the Flight Attendant section of Flightinfo. Is it really a surprise that a Flight Attendant might not see the humor in some of the comments that started this thread.

This might be a flight attendant section of FlightInfo, but this thread is about being a flight attendant on a corporate aircraft.

Being 'polite and respectful of your fellow crew and taking good care of your customers' is all fine and well, but it may not be enough in the corporate side of aviation. For better or for worse, you're going to need to fit in with the flight department as well.

 

[SWAInflt]

This might be a flight attendant section of FlightInfo, but this thread is about being a flight attendant on a corporate aircraft.

Being 'polite and respectful of your fellow crew and taking good care of your customers' is all fine and well, but it may not be enough in the corporate side of aviation. For better or for worse, you're going to need to fit in with the flight department as well.

If that is the case, then an accurate, specific description of the desirable candidate is in order. It is of interest that it has been repeatedly pointed out that in the "corporate" world a different standard applies. I wonder what would happen if a hiring manager applied that same standard to selecting an Administrative Assistant for someone in the corporate world? You know..."We're very impressed with your resume Ms. Smith but, we are really looking for someone much more attractive for the position. Thanks for coming in." How long do you think it would take the EEOC to show up on the doorstep? Not long.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Holy Cow, I bet the SWA pilots give thanks to the TSA everyday for changing the cockpit access rules and adding the new doors when this one is in the crew!

"Humor, a difficult concept."

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

If that is the case, then an accurate, specific description of the desirable candidate is in order. It is of interest that it has been repeatedly pointed out that in the "corporate" world a different standard applies. I wonder what would happen if a hiring manager applied that same standard to selecting an Administrative Assistant for someone in the corporate world? You know..."We're very impressed with your resume Ms. Smith but, we are really looking for someone much more attractive for the position. Thanks for coming in." How long do you think it would take the EEOC to show up on the doorstep? Not long.

Who the heck do you think you are? You're going to tell people how to write their job descriptions? If you want to run a company, go do it, if you want to work for one, I suggest you try a little harder to blend. No one likes to be told how to run their company (by telling them how they should be more specific about who the desirable candidate is). Could you imagine if the airlines wrote everything in their job ads that the personality testers are looking for?

Is the last part of your post a threat? The EEOC? Now that'll get you hired.

Have you noticed that you are the ONLY person spewing this cr@p? Get yourself a mirror and look at it every once in a while.

Unless you work for a union, if your coworkers or your boss don't feel comfortable, your gone. I wouldn't go work for an Evangelist, and you shouldn't go work for a flight department where they tell dirty, sexist jokes. Don't think you're going to change everyone, just go where you fit in. Oh, and in case your too enraged to read the text I wrote, this is NOT about race - it's about personality, and yours is unattractive.

Ace

 

[SWAInflt]

Holy Cow, I bet the SWA pilots give thanks to the TSA everyday for changing the cockpit access rules and adding the new doors when this one is in the crew!

"Humor, a difficult concept."

Yet again, rather than addressing the issue at hand...somehow, the replies keep coming back to personal attacks.

It's intellectually lazy to assume that a person who stands for something is stomping around in sensible shoes, brandishing a megaphone, ready to shout down any and all dissenters. Don't be so sure.

 

[SWAInflt]

Who the heck do you think you are?

I'm a person with a point of view...just like you.

You're going to tell people how to write their job descriptions?

If the intent is to honestly potray the requirements for the position based on the replies we've seen here...yes the job description would need to be refined. All I'm saying is...if a company only wants attractive employees...they should have the guts to come out and say so.

If you want to run a company, go do it, if you want to work for one, I suggest you try a little harder to blend.

What exactly would "blend"(ing) consist of?

No one likes to be told how to run their company (by telling them how they should be more specific about who the desirable candidate is). Could you imagine if the airlines wrote everything in their job ads that the personality testers are looking for?

They can run their company any way they wish...just be upfront about it.

Is the last part of your post a threat? The EEOC? Now that'll get you hired.

No threat meant or implied. Just making a point.

Have you noticed that you are the ONLY person spewing this cr@p? Get yourself a mirror and look at it every once in a while.

What "crap" would that be? Is the point that since I'm the only one who has spoken up I should abandon my point of view?

Unless you work for a union, if your coworkers or your boss don't feel comfortable, your gone.

On what basis?

I wouldn't go work for an Evangelist, and you shouldn't go work for a flight department where they tell dirty, sexist jokes.

Again, let's not make career decisions for each other.

Don't think you're going to change everyone, just go where you fit in. Oh, and in case your too enraged to read the text I wrote, this is NOT about race - it's about personality, and yours is unattractive.

It was never my intent to change everyone, just to share my thoughts on the matter. I may not agree with what some have said but, I think I have at least presented my point of view in a respectful way.

 

[jumppilot]

SWAInflt,

In an attempt to lighten up the mood, let me tell a joke...


Q: How do you make 5 pounds of fat attractive?


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[VVJM265]

SWAInflt,

In an attempt to lighten up the mood, let me tell a joke...


Q: How do you make 5 pounds of fat attractive?


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LOL! Oh that's going to go over w/ SWAInflt like a lead ballon!

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Yet again, rather than addressing the issue at hand...somehow, the replies keep coming back to personal attacks.

It's intellectually lazy to assume that a person who stands for something is stomping around in sensible shoes, brandishing a megaphone, ready to shout down any and all dissenters. Don't be so sure.

Trust me on this one, if you are anything in person like you are on this web board you are known as a groaner, meaning that when the rest of the crew sees your name on the paperwork, the all let out a groan. As in, "Aww not this one again!"

But I guess every airline has a few.

 

[SWAInflt]

Trust me on this one, if you are anything in person like you are on this web board you are known as a groaner, meaning that when the rest of the crew sees your name on the paperwork, the all let out a groan. As in, "Aww not this one again!"

But I guess every airline has a few.

No, not really. My demeanor on the job is such that my co-workers are respectful...yet we still manage to have enjoyable trips. I don't walk up to people and start spouting opinions. There's a time and place...on the job is neither. A topic appears on a discussion form...I'm going to comment. The same topic comes up in the galley...I'm going to change the subject. Anything less would be unprofessional.

 

[jackiebrown]

I´m so fed up prettending being a 25 years old f/a I´m 40, serving food and drinks to pax and C/P crews for 18 years, I´m good in my job, not an old hag.
How do you look- cockpit macho men, heh, wrinkeld face, beer bellys! Girls in their 40ies anyway the best, i took care of myself and dont want to be discriminated because my titts hanging a little.

 

[aeronautic1]

One "T" in pretending

I´m so fed up prettending being a 25 years old f/a I´m 40, serving food and drinks to pax and C/P crews for 18 years, I´m good in my job, not an old hag.
How do you look- cockpit macho men, heh, wrinkeld face, beer bellys! Girls in their 40ies anyway the best, i took care of myself and dont want to be discriminated because my titts hanging a little.

All together now, MILF...MILF...MILF

Oh, by the way. I'll have the chicken, princess.