F9 getting 40mill by RAH

[SennaP1]

1. YOU took A job there
2.-TPG found an airline with people that were willing to work for less than their current employees
3.-Way too blame it on MW mang. yes they suck, but you guys cut the pilots
4.-congrats, flying roughly same planes for half the price.
5.Lets me take a guess, "at least we have a job, we'll fight for our wages after its said and done".
6.Hope MW grows to bring back the furloughs, but we need to keep our flying with MW so we don't furlough anymore. This was said to me from one of your stellar pilots.

Nice avatar. To that we agree. Probably not much between the ears there. But we digress....

1. I took a job here. No one asked me how I felt about flying for Midwest before it showed up on my schedule.

2. Yeah we are (ALOT)cheaper. That's a problem, but its also a known fact.

3. TPG is just the pockets($) of the operation. When they make a gentlemen's agreement(717 leases) with Boeing and then reneg. It does screw over the great employees of Midwest.

4. I'd rather be flying at Midwest(with their current payscale) than at RAH. No congratulations needed.

5. It's a job, not a career (at RAH). I'll be gone as soon as a door opens.

6. Unfortunately I don't think Midwest will grow. They just gave up on their E170 program after Typing a few guys. Again I blame this on MEH mgmt, they have never been good at picking the right airplane for the mission.

Good luck to you and the Midwest pilots.

 

[Sig]

5. It's a job, not a career (at RAH). I'll be gone as soon as a door opens.

Very serious question:

You leave, getting a better job. Another carrier comes in because the "deep pockets" make an impersonal yet rational business decision, and your new job is in jeopardy.

What do you do?

 

[SennaP1]

Very serious question:

You leave, getting a better job. Another carrier comes in because the "deep pockets" make an impersonal yet rational business decision, and your new job is in jeopardy.

What do you do?

Raise a big stink on Flightinfo.com to a bunch of "internet intellectuals"


But seriously...
That's the name of the game, I'm wiling to take that chance. This (RAH) isn't what the final goal for me is. Its all about risk management just like everything else.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Maybe if you voted no on your wages you could say we are not screwing anyone intentionally, but if you voted yes then I believe the Midwest guys can say very loudly "RAH pilots have screwed me".

I didn't vote on anything, I've only been here a year and 3 months.

 

[Captain Morgan]

The company belongs to the shareholder, you on the other hand are the help, there is no "our investment" unless you hold stock.
PBR

Symantics. Don't be a retard, you know what I meant. I don't expect to get anything handed to me from the company except my paycheck every two weeks. Unfortunately, every worker feels they are owed a board member's bonus and benefits, and THAT is what's wrong with America. I've got a name for the new generation of citizen, they are all now known as the "Entitlement Generation."

 

[Sig]

"Entitlement Generation."

That ties into what I asked the other fella.

If you accept a job, on the premise of stability, great product, fantastic future, a retirement....


And someone comes in and jettisons you to the street? Will you truly have the stiff upper lip, aww it's just business attitude?

I truly doubt it. Entitlement is an easy moniker to hang on someone else, while the teeth are on the other end.

What happens when you're hamstrung by a starry-eyed kid that just adores the fact he's making 20 (TWENTY) thousand a year to do your job?


It will happen. I promise. It is a bed you've made, and I want to know your thoughts when you're lying in it.

 

[Captain Morgan]

That ties into what I asked the other fella.

If you accept a job, on the premise of stability, great product, fantastic future, a retirement....


And someone comes in and jettisons you to the street? Will you truly have the stiff upper lip, aww it's just business attitude?

I truly doubt it. Entitlement is an easy moniker to hang on someone else, while the teeth are on the other end.

What happens when you're hamstrung by a starry-eyed kid that just adores the fact he's making 20 (TWENTY) thousand a year to do your job?


It will happen. I promise. It is a bed you've made, and I want to know your thoughts when you're lying in it.

I can understand the disappointment of some of the pilots, but what I was referring to was how people expect spectacular bennies like boardmembers of a company. This point that I was making came about from an earlier poster, uhmmm PBRStreetgang. He was pointing out that I referred to "our investment" and trying to prove that I am not a boardmember so it really isn't my company. This is true but I then stated that the "our" that I used was a general term to describe the company that I work at. I then said that I don't expect anything more than a paycheck... blah blah blah. Clear as mud? Ok, I'm dizzy now. uke:

 

[Airline Driver]

The Majority of the idiots who post on this board are the most self center, egoticical,

 

[Airline Driver]

RAH should go out of business this year!

They are just a Scab airline looking to take advantage of others. when they are vulnerable.

Your RAH spokesman , McNugget, has stated his career goal of being a Scab.

I'd rather be unemployeed than be a Republic Scab.

I have worked at RAH for almost 6 years. In that Time, I have not crossed any picket line, Nor would I ever. Just because your company does not know how to run itself does not make RAH a scab airline. It is what it is. Business between two companies. No pilot from either airline had anything to do with that. End of Story.

You want to blame something or someone, then blame the idiots in congress who deregulated the airlines.

You made the choice to work work where you are, if your not happy Then get out!

 

[AceCrackshot]

That ties into what I asked the other fella.

If you accept a job, on the premise of stability, great product, fantastic future, a retirement....


And someone comes in and jettisons you to the street? Will you truly have the stiff upper lip, aww it's just business attitude?

I truly doubt it. Entitlement is an easy moniker to hang on someone else, while the teeth are on the other end.

What happens when you're hamstrung by a starry-eyed kid that just adores the fact he's making 20 (TWENTY) thousand a year to do your job?


It will happen. I promise. It is a bed you've made, and I want to know your thoughts when you're lying in it.

That was a really good point, in 1993. Or in 1978. Either way, the DL bubbas made this bed for us with RJs, and the DL, UA, US guys practically speaking, cemented it with their abandonment of scope language in the mid 2000s. The AA and US guys didn't do the regional guys any favors with their contractual language (which shafted their wholly-owned airlines, rather than finding common ground with those pilots groups for mutual benefit.)

So, I guess the point I'm making is that this fight has been (barely) fought and lost, a long time ago.

The mainline pilot groups should have been fighting for brand seniority lists, scope language, and minimum contract language a long time ago, but didn't. Why not? Shortsightedness, ego-centrism, and a classic superiority complex are primarily to blame.

So, blaming the other guy isn't very helpful. And, if you haven't noticed, our (the Pilots') union isn't exactly going out of its way to help the junior pilot (Age 65) but rather, is continuing to kow-tow to the senior pilots, even those not affliated with ALPA (see also, TWA) to continue to pursue short-sighted, ego-centric goals, based primarily on the belief that people who fly 737s for a living are intrinsically better than those in a 1900.

Now, while I understand the stress and heartbreak of someone about to lose his job (I've been there, twice) asking someone to all of sudden find religion and dive on his sword, is somewhat disingenious.

 

[jacksjj]

The Majority of the idiots who post on this board are the most self center, egoticical,

I think I speak for everyone when I say "Ummmm....what?"

 

[Airline Driver]

I think I speak for everyone when I say "Ummmm....what?"[/quo
My First post should have been incorporated with my second so that is why there is a "Ummmm....What" Gap that makes no sense what so ever. Good humor though!! I think I hit "the Enter" key without looking instead of back space or something like that.

 

[dooork]

That was a really good point, in 1993. Or in 1978. Either way, the DL bubbas made this bed for us with RJs, and the DL, UA, US guys practically speaking, cemented it with their abandonment of scope language in the mid 2000s. The AA and US guys didn't do the regional guys any favors with their contractual language (which shafted their wholly-owned airlines, rather than finding common ground with those pilots groups for mutual benefit.)

So, I guess the point I'm making is that this fight has been (barely) fought and lost, a long time ago.

The mainline pilot groups should have been fighting for brand seniority lists, scope language, and minimum contract language a long time ago, but didn't. Why not? Shortsightedness, ego-centrism, and a classic superiority complex are primarily to blame.

So, blaming the other guy isn't very helpful. And, if you haven't noticed, our (the Pilots') union isn't exactly going out of its way to help the junior pilot (Age 65) but rather, is continuing to kow-tow to the senior pilots, even those not affliated with ALPA (see also, TWA) to continue to pursue short-sighted, ego-centric goals, based primarily on the belief that people who fly 737s for a living are intrinsically better than those in a 1900.

Now, while I understand the stress and heartbreak of someone about to lose his job (I've been there, twice) asking someone to all of sudden find religion and dive on his sword, is somewhat disingenious.

Spot on. You get it.

 

[Sig]

So, I guess the point I'm making is that this fight has been (barely) fought and lost, a long time ago.

....

So, blaming the other guy isn't very helpful.

A spot-on post, but I want to clarify mine.

I want to know if the business entity that pays them now, that is enabled by action or inaction, that hopefully moves them on to green pastures while unfortunately salting the earth elsewhere...

I want to know how they'd react if the same situation landed in their lap.

I strongly doubt an arm's length dispassionate answer would be the rule 10 years from now.

 

[McNugget]

RAH should go out of business this year!

They are just a Scab airline looking to take advantage of others. when they are vulnerable.

Your RAH spokesman , McNugget, has stated his career goal of being a Scab.

I'd rather be unemployeed than be a Republic Scab.

I dont work for RAH. I just have insider info.

 

[AceCrackshot]

Spot on. You get it.

Too late...I spent 7 years in aviation, 2 furloughs, 2 unionization drives, and three 3 contract drives before I realized that the light at the end of every tunnel was an on-coming train.

I guess if you hit someone in the head with a hammer long enough, he'll learn that it feels good when it stops.

Quite honestly, the only answer is people voting with their feet. By the time it happens, cabotage will be fact.

 

[AceCrackshot]

A spot-on post, but I want to clarify mine.

I want to know if the business entity that pays them now, that is enabled by action or inaction, that hopefully moves them on to green pastures while unfortunately salting the earth elsewhere...

I want to know how they'd react if the same situation landed in their lap.

I strongly doubt an arm's length dispassionate answer would be the rule 10 years from now.

And that IS a legitimate question.

But we all know that, short of a Chinese Reeducation Camp, no 23 recent Aviation College graduate is even going to HEAR your question, let alone have the consequences of the answer color their decision-making.

The Colleges tell them that all their graduates are above average, and with idea that someday, after they get 1000 TPIC, they will magically transported to MEM for a pro forma interview and 10 Million dollar career working for Fred Smith.

That isn't reality.

In the specific case of RAH and Brian Bedford, its not that BB is particularly smart (anyone whose read or heard one of his religiously laden missives can testify to that) but RAH, through Wexford, is incredibly, unspeakably well-financed. Money makes the mare go, especially in aviation, where most of the short-term thinking by all parties is driven ultimately by lack of capital.

I haven't come up with many solutions for you. I'm not that smart. Sorry.

 

[McNugget]

RAH should go out of business this year!

They are just a Scab airline looking to take advantage of others. when they are vulnerable.

Your RAH spokesman , McNugget, has stated his career goal of being a Scab.

I'd rather be unemployeed than be a Republic Scab.

No worries, friend! In my new economic stimulus plan, there will be jobs for everybody. The lower-paid pilots at RAH will get the opportunity to do all of the Midwest flying, backed by taxpayer stimulus funds. The former, overpaid pilots will have the opportunity to move into newly-created jobs, such as Lavatory Service Technician (E-170 rating) and Regional Jet Catering Specialist (F/A's Beotch, 3rd Class).

Shoot, if you're a minority and have no prior experience, we have a job for you, as a Supervisor. You'll even get a clipboard! Who Da Man, now, dawg?

 

[Wesb737fo]

The Majority of the idiots who post on this board are the most self center, egoticical,

egoticical? what the he1l does that mean?

Hey...try to say that really fast....egoticical..egoticical....dang...that's hard.

I think Airline Driver might be an egoticical batard. Sorry dude..I'm a little punchy, I got a serious head cold going here.

 

[McNugget]

egoticical? what the he1l does that mean?

Hey...try to say that really fast....egoticical..egoticical....dang...that's hard.

I think Airline Driver might be an egoticical batard. Sorry dude..I'm a little punchy, I got a serious head cold going here.

OWNED!