ExpressJet takes out FULL PAGE AD in USA Today

[coex]

For those of you who have not seen the ad you can go here.
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(I removed the PDF file)

 

[Nova]

Well I am one who thinks starting pay should be between $25-30k...

Just look at what your average college grad would make with a 4 year degree straight out of school.

So looking at what an average college grad makes out of school and you still think that $25-30k is where regional pilot pay should fall? As much as a General Studies major gets?

While anything closer to 20k is a good thing it is still way to low.

There's nothing good about $20k. That is a lowered expectation.

I don't really have an issue with a first year probabtionary wage.

What other similar profession pays a probationary salary for 1 year? Its' not like there is a huge increase in year 2 like one might find at a larger major airline.

Anyone can say based on what time and expense one has invested they should make much more but the likelyhood of that is very doubtful.

Doubtful to you maybe. If pilots stood up for what they truly believed it wouldn't be an issue.

I don't quite understand what the f#$% you are talking about.

Who do you work for? Perhaps that would explain your confusion.

 

[flyingitalian]

This isn't accurate at all. ..... Continental Express used to have starting rates in the $13/hour range. Under the current contract, it is $19.50/hour. Under the new contract, it will be more no doubt. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Sam

Actually this is not accurate either. Under the old contract you had to pay for training. So after the $10k to 7.5k fee the starting salary first year was about 3k to 5.5k.

Yet even at these salaries people are stacked 3 deep for the job. If you are going to talk about market wages as was compared to in an earlier post, you are willing to let the market determine the wage. I dont think you want to go there.

Now with CAL losing money have they made any noise about renegotiating their fee for departure paid to Express Jet?

Good Luck, its going to be a tough road.

 

[Britpilot]

Now with CAL losing money have they made any noise about renegotiating their fee for departure paid to Express Jet?

No. Nor can they unless Chapter 11 is entered.

 

[nonstop]

Good Luck, its going to be a tough road.

<sarcasm>Wow. No sh1t? I thought airline management rolled over easy, especially with a document like the RLA slanted so much in the favor of labor.</sarcasm>

This guy wins most obvious comment of the year award.

BTW: 25-30k a year is a JOKE. The whole "probationary" first year is one of the biggest scams airline management has got going(and they've pretty much cornered the market on scamming their employees). And yes, I'm aware I'd have to give up some of my check to raise first year pay. If we don't look out for each other no one will.

 

[flyingitalian]

<sarcasm>Wow. No sh1t? I thought airline management rolled over easy, especially with a document like the RLA slanted so much in the favor of labor.</sarcasm>

This guy wins most obvious comment of the year award.

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Easy now. Should not the prize go to you, for if its such an obvious statement why does it take a brain child like yourself to point out the obvious.

Actually its going to be, and has been a tough road not because of the RLA, but because the group basically has no leverage. This is not because they are not united as a group, I think they are very united even more so than CAL. However the pool of available pilots is large, their main and only customer is losing money, and if they strike there are clauses in the agreement that trigger cancelation of contracts and repo of airplanes. I even believe in part they want a strike over a contract that will cost them considerably more.

 

[azpilot]

So looking at what an average college grad makes out of school and you still think that $25-30k is where regional pilot pay should fall? As much as a General Studies major gets?

You are missing the point, there is what people think they deserve and what a company is willing to pay. Two different issues. Just because you or I may think we are worth $X per year does not mean we will see it.

There's nothing good about $20k. That is a lowered expectation.
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Where did I say it was good? It isn't a lowered expectation. It is a reality and one has to choose whether or not they want to work for that rate.

Doubtful to you maybe. If pilots stood up for what they truly believed it wouldn't be an issue.

The problem is that not everyone agrees this is in their best interest. For example those that PFT, Original Freedumb pilots, Gulfstream, etc.

Who do you work for? Perhaps that would explain your confusion.

I am not confused. If you think you can make $50,000 per year, 1st year, or pick WHATEVER number that satisfies you please go ahead and sit on the curb waiting for that. Jesus Christ unless one agrees with whatever your magic number is they must be wrong, clueless, or misinformed. I am not currently flying for an airline. One has to make choices as to where they are willing to work. There are plenty of places I would not apply based on a variety of factors. This could be that you only would apply at a place like Comair because the wages are better or maybe you would apply to COEX because you are hopeful that those whom are in contract negotiations will get better wages. However, at somepoint you do have to look at what is going to help move your career along and this may mean going to work for a regional where the 1st-X years pay is low.

Let me spell it out I AM ALL FOR HIGHER WAGES AND BETTER WORKING CONDITIONS. I would love to make $250,000 per year and work 10 days per month. This probably isn't going to happen though. It is simple supply and demand.

I am done debating with you. You are reading way to much into what I was saying.

COEX Pilots good luck with your negotiations. I hope you get what you deserve and hope the pilot group will stick to their guns.

 

[I Hate Freight]

http://www.aviationinterviews.com/images/ALPA.pdf

I'm getting a "page not found" error.

 

[Smoothflyin]

We in aviation are overpaid, underworked, and well respected.

 

[BRA]

i thought that girl was hot

 

[Nova]

You are missing the point, there is what people think they deserve and what a company is willing to pay. Two different issues. Just because you or I may think we are worth $X per year does not mean we will see it.

Ah, so we'll just sit back and take what's given to us? It's better to shoot for $xx/hour and fall short by a few bucks than just assume that you'll never get it and settle for less right off the bat.

Where did I say it was good?

While anything closer to 20k is a good thing it is still way to low.

The problem is that not everyone agrees this is in their best interest. For example those that PFT, Original Freedumb pilots, Gulfstream, etc.

I am not currently flying for an airline.

Walk a mile in the shoes before you judge them. It can be easy to critisize or offer advice from outside the industry. You ever wonder why some pilots cave to lower wages? Until you live the life you aren't really capable of understanding the issue.

However, at somepoint you do have to look at what is going to help move your career along and this may mean going to work for a regional where the 1st-X years pay is low.

And working for less $$ moves your carrier along? Are you sure you don't work for Mesa?

 

[azpilot]

Ah, so we'll just sit back and take what's given to us? It's better to shoot for $xx/hour and fall short by a few bucks than just assume that you'll never get it and settle for less right off the bat.

And working for less $$ moves your carrier along? Are you sure you don't work for Mesa?

Hey dumb @ss why don't you read the entire quote you referenced.
Originally Posted by azpilot
While anything closer to 20k is a good thing it is still way to low

I said it was still way to low. No I don't work for Mesa. Go drink a good cup of shut the f*ck up because you are just bitter and should find a different career.

 

[Nova]

Is that all you can come up with? I originally quoted that there was nothing good about 20k where you clearly stated that their was...."it's good but low."

Different career? Why don't you even start your career before you start giving out advice about it to others.

 

[embdrvr]

The sad part is every one of those FO's took the job knowing what they were going to get paid. There's even idiots out there willing to do it for less. "Whoopee, you mean you'll pay me to fly this way cool jet? Wow!!!" That's the mentality you're up against.

 

[labbats]

No, you're up against flight instructors who bust their ass to fly 50-80 hours a month tops. At $10 an hour, that doesn't add up to much and everything ahead of you looks pretty rosy in comparison.