ExpressJet New TA Payrates

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Source: www.expressjetpilots.com

Yr. 145CA 135CA FO
1 57.28 50.63 21.50
2 58.99 52.15 32.00
3 60.77 53.72 33.99
4 62.58 55.32 36.25
5 64.47 56.99 37.34
6 66.40 58.70 38.46
7 67.72 59.86 39.62
8 69.75 61.66 40.80
9 71.84 63.51
10 74.00 65.42
11 76.22 67.38
12 78.51 69.40
13 80.86 71.48
14 83.29 73.63
15 84.95 75.10
16 86.65 76.60
17 88.39 78.13
18 90.15 79.70http://master.mx-targeting.com/mx/s...70228&cntp=consumer+satellite&lupgtry=1&&cook

 

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Scope Section of new TA

Date of Signing: December 1, 2004
Amendable Date: December 1, 2008
CONTRACT 2004
AGREEMENT
between
EXPRESSJET AIRLINES, INC.
and
THE AIR LINE PILOTS
in the service of
EXPRESSJET AIRLINES, INC.



SECTION 1
RECOGNITION AND SCOPE
A. Recognition
1. In accordance with certification number R-6193 and the decision of the
National Mediation Board dated July 17, 2001, ExpressJet Airlines, Inc.,
the “Company,” recognizes the Air Line Pilots Association, International,
the “Association,” as the authorized representative of pilots employed by
the Company for the purposes of the Railway Labor Act, as amended.
2. This collective bargaining agreement and any letters of agreement
between the Company and the Association may be collectively referred to
as “the Agreement” or “this Agreement.”
B. Scope
1. This Agreement covers all present and future revenue flying and all
known and recurring miscellaneous flying performed by or for the
Company or a subsidiary of the Company. The terms “revenue flying and
all known and recurring miscellaneous flying” include, but are not limited
to, all flying on the Company’s or a subsidiary’s aircraft, whether leased
or owned, under the Company’s or a subsidiary’s operational control,
including wet leases, subcontracting that is performed for others, revenue
flights, and charter flights, but does not include flying performed on such
aircraft as a result of a dry lease to another carrier or entity, delivery of
aircraft from a seller or to a purchaser, and positioning of aircraft in
conjunction with maintenance.
2. All flying covered by this Agreement shall be performed by pilots whose
names appear on the Pilot’s Seniority List in accordance with the terms
and conditions of this Agreement.
C. Subcontracting
1. “Subcontracted Flying” refers to transactions in which the Company
contracts for another carrier and its pilots to perform flying, e.g., a “wet
lease,” covered by paragraph B, above.
2. Except for the irregular operations enumerated below, or unless
compelled solely because of circumstances over which the Company does
not have control as specified in subparagraph 3, below, the Company will
not engage in Subcontracted Flying without prior written agreement with
the Association. “Irregular operations” shall be passenger or cargo
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Section 1 – Scope
accommodation because of flight cancellations in the normal course of
business, (e.g., weather, or mechanical or other operational reasons),
accommodations of passengers or cargo pursuant to standard practices,
e.g., overbookings, transportation of excess baggage, and flights with
chartered equipment for the exclusive purpose of transporting parts or
personnel to repair aircraft.
3. The Company may engage in Subcontracted Flying solely because of
circumstances over which the Company does not have control for a time
not to exceed the duration of the circumstances beyond the Company’s
control or 12 months, whichever is less. Circumstances beyond the
Company’s control shall be an act of nature; an ongoing labor dispute;
grounding or repossession of a substantial number of the Company’s
aircraft by a government agency or court order; loss or destruction of the
Company’s aircraft; involuntary reduction in flying operations because of
either a decrease in available fuel supply or other critical materials for the
Company’s operation; revocation of the Company’s operating
certificate(s); war emergency; or, a substantial delay in the delivery of
aircraft scheduled for delivery.
4. Flying performed by another carrier whereby the other carrier transports
passengers or cargo pursuant to a code-share, interline, block space or
other similar agreement shall not be considered Subcontracted Flying.
D. Successor and Mergers
1. This Agreement shall be binding upon any successor or assign of the
Company unless and until changed in accordance with the provisions of
the Railway Labor Act, as amended. For purposes of this paragraph, a
successor or assign shall be defined as an entity which acquires all or
substantially all of the assets or equity of the Company through a single
transaction or multi-step related transactions which close within a 12
month period.
2. No contract or other legally binding commitment involving the transfer of
ownership or control pursuant to a successorship transaction, whether by
sale, transfer or lease of the Company or substantially all of its assets,
will be signed or otherwise entered into unless it is agreed as a material
and irrevocable condition of entering into, concluding and implementing
such transaction that the rates of pay, rules and working conditions set
forth in this Agreement will be assumed by the successor employer and
employees on the then current pilots’ seniority list will be employed in
accordance with the provisions of this Agreement. The Company shall
give notice of the existence of this Agreement to any purchaser,
transferee, lessee, or assignee of the operation covered by this
Agreement or any substantial part thereof. Such notice shall be in
writing, with a copy to the Association, at the time the seller, transferor,
or lessor executes a definitive agreement with respect to a transaction as
herein described.
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Section 1 – Scope
3. Unless otherwise agreed, the following provisions shall apply in the event
of a successorship transaction in which the successor is an air carrier or
an affiliate of an air carrier, or a transaction in which the Company
acquires control of another air carrier; and
a. The integration of the seniority lists of the respective pilot groups
shall be governed by Association Merger Policy if both pretransaction
pilot groups are represented by the Association. If the
other pre-transaction group is not represented by the Association,
Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective
Provisions (“LPP”) shall apply. The successor or Company, as
appropriate, shall accept the integrated seniority list, including any
conditions and restrictions, established through Association
merger policy or LPP proceedings, as applicable; and,
b. The respective pilot collective bargaining agreements shall be
merged into one agreement as the result of negotiations among
the pilot groups and the successor or the Company. If a fully
merged agreement is not executed within 9 months from the date
a final and binding integrated pilot seniority list is issued, the
parties shall jointly submit outstanding issues to binding interest
arbitration; and,
c. The aircraft (including orders and options to purchase aircraft)
and the operations of each pre-transaction airline shall remain
separated until such time as both pilots’ seniority lists are
integrated and the pilot collective bargaining agreements are
combined in accordance with paragraphs D.3.a and D.3.b, above;
and,
d. Pending the merger of the pre-transaction carrier and the pilot
collective bargaining agreements and seniority lists, no pilot on
the Pilot’s Seniority List shall be reduced in status or pay category
as an effect of the merger, purchase or acquisition.
4. The following additional requirements shall be applicable in the event of a
merger, purchase or acquisition involving the Company, regardless of the
identity of the surviving carrier or whether formerly separate operations
are to be integrated.
a. Unless and until any operational merger is finally effectuated, the
Association will continue to be recognized as the representative of
the pre-merger Company pilots, so long as such recognition is
consistent with the Railway Labor Act and any applicable rulings
or orders of the National Mediation Board. Recognition of a postmerger
representative shall be governed by the Railway Labor Act
and by any applicable rulings or orders of the National Mediation
Board.
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b. Subject to applicable securities and other laws and regulations,
the Company will review with the Association the details of any
material agreements relating to successorship transactions in a
timely manner, provided that no financial or other confidential
business information need be disclosed unless suitable
arrangements are made for protecting the confidentiality and use
of such information.
c. The Company or surviving carrier, if different than the Company,
shall meet promptly with the Association, upon request, to
negotiate the implementation of the requirements of this
paragraph.
E. Expedited Board of Adjustment Procedures
The Company agrees to arbitrate any grievance filed by the Association alleging
a violation of this Sections 1, on an expedited basis directly before the System
Board of Adjustment sitting with a neutral arbitrator mutually acceptable to both
parties. If a mutually agreed upon arbitrator cannot be selected within 3 days of
the filing, an arbitrator will be selected pursuant to Section 20, Resolution of
Disputes, of this Agreement. The dispute shall be heard no later than 30 days
following the submission to the system board, subject to the availability of the
arbitrator, and shall be decided no later than 30 days following submission of
briefs or the close of the hearing, unless the parties agree otherwise in writing.
F. Management Rights
Except as restricted by this Agreement, the Company shall retain the right to
manage and operate its business and work force, which may include the right to:
sell or discontinue all or part of its business; to sell or lease aircraft or facilities;
determine where and when to operate scheduled or unscheduled flights;
determine its marketing methods and strategies; enter into code sharing,
affiliation or marketing agreements with other carriers; invest, including equity
investment, in other business entities including other air carriers; and determine
the type of aircraft it will utilize.

 

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Compensation Section (some subsections deleted for space)

SECTION 3
COMPENSATION
A. Pay Rates, Regular Pay and Additional Pay
1. Pay Rates
EMB-145 Captain EMB-135 Captain
YOS 12/01/04 12/01/05 12/01/06 12/01/07 YOS 12/01/04 12/01/05 12/01/06 12/01/07
1 57.28 58.71 60.18 61.68 1 50.63 51.90 53.20 54.53
2 58.99 60.46 61.97 63.52 2 52.14 53.45 54.78 56.15
3 60.77 62.29 63.85 65.45 3 53.72 55.07 56.44 57.85
4 62.58 64.15 65.75 67.39 4 55.32 56.71 58.12 59.58
5 64.47 66.08 67.73 69.43 5 56.99 58.42 59.88 61.37
6 66.40 68.06 69.76 71.51 6 58.70 60.17 61.67 63.21
7 67.72 69.41 71.15 72.93 7 59.86 61.36 62.90 64.47
8 69.75 71.50 73.28 75.12 8 61.66 63.20 64.78 66.40
9 71.84 73.64 75.48 77.37 9 63.51 65.10 66.73 68.39
10 74.00 75.85 77.75 79.69 10 65.42 67.05 68.73 70.45
11 76.22 78.13 80.08 82.08 11 67.38 69.06 70.79 72.56
12 78.51 80.47 82.48 84.54 12 69.40 71.13 72.91 74.74
13 80.86 82.88 84.96 87.08 13 71.48 73.27 75.10 76.98
14 83.29 85.37 87.50 89.69 14 73.63 75.47 77.35 79.29
15 84.95 87.08 89.25 91.49 15 75.10 76.98 78.90 80.87
16 86.65 88.82 91.04 93.32 16 76.60 78.52 80.48 82.49
17 88.39 90.60 92.86 95.18 17 78.13 80.09 82.09 84.14
18 90.15 92.41 94.72 97.09 18 79.70 81.69 83.73 85.82
2. A pilot’s total monthly pay is the sum of regular pay and additional pay.
EMB-145/135 First Officer
YOS 12/01/04 12/01/05 12/01/06 12/01/07
1 21.50 22.04 22.59 23.15
2 32.00 32.80 33.62 34.46
3 33.99 34.84 35.72 36.61
4 36.25 37.16 38.09 39.04
5 37.34 38.28 39.23 40.21
6 38.46 39.42 40.41 41.42
7 39.62 40.61 41.62 42.66
8 40.80 41.83 42.87 43.94
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Section 3 – Compensation
3. A pilot’s monthly regular pay shall be his applicable rate of pay times the
greater of his Minimum Monthly Guarantee (“MMG”) or the sum of the
credits for trip credit value as specified in D., below, deadhead credit, RA
days, RX days, maintenance flights, training, vacation, Home
Study/Computer Based Training (Global Contrails and Winter Operations),
and sick leave.
4. A pilot’s monthly additional pay is his applicable hourly rate of pay times
the credits for trip credit value as specified in D., below, for trips picked
up during the Secondary Line Improvement Window on days off, Junior
Manning assignments, reassignments after original trip termination,
recurrent training and associated travel on a day off, Home
Study/Computer Based Training (all assignments other than Global
Contrails and Winter Operations), drug and alcohol testing, pay for
cancelled vacation, and pay associated with a reserve reassignment into a
day off.
B. Minimum Monthly Guarantee
1. The MMG is 75 hours per bid period, except as otherwise provided in this
agreement.
2. The MMG will be prorated in accordance with Section 21.F.4 if a pilot is
unavailable for a portion of the bid period or misses a trip.
C. Pay/Block Time
A pilot’s block time, for the purposes of pay and credit, is from block-out time to
block-in time. Block-out time occurs at the departure station when the Captain
releases the parking brake and the main cabin door and cargo door are both
closed for the first time. Block-in time occurs at the arrival station, or at the
departure station in the case of a gate or air return, when the main cabin door is
opened for the first time. ALPA and the Company may mutually agree to
changes in this paragraph.
D. Trip Credit Value
1. Trip Pay
a. Except as specified in D.1.b., below, a pilot’s trip pay shall be the
greater of the scheduled (original trip value) or actual block time
(including any deadhead time), calculated by flight segment, and
any applicable credits specified in D.2. and 3., below.
b. If a pilot’s duty period is modified as a result of a reassignment,
cancellation or a sick call, that affected duty period shall be
credited the greater of:
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Section 3 – Compensation
i. the sum of the originally scheduled block times (including
any deadhead time) for the segments in that affected duty
period and any applicable credits listed in D.3., below, or;
ii. the sum of the actual block times (including any deadhead
time), of the segment(s) flown during that affected duty
period and any applicable credits listed in D.3., below.
2. Duty Period Minimum Pay (“DPM”)
a. Except as provided in Section 21.H.8., if a pilot reports for duty,
he shall be credited with a 2 hour duty period minimum.
b. Except when a pilot’s schedule is modified as a result of a bid
period adjustment, vacation adjustment, training adjustment,
leave of absence, sick call, or personal drop, a pilot shall be
credited with a 3 hour duty period minimum for each calendar day
layover.
3. Upon the completion of a pilot’s trip, he shall have any applicable
reposition credit and/or Customs credit added to his trip credit value.
4. Original Trip Value
a. For pay protection purposes, a lineholder’s original trip value is
based on the value of the trip when:
i. the pilot is awarded the trip during the bid award process,
or;
ii. a pilot picks up the trip, or;
iii. a pilot trades for the trip.
b. For pay protection purposes, a reserve pilot’s original trip value is
based on the value of the assigned trip at report time.
5. Except as provided in this Agreement, a pilot who is assigned a 4-day trip
shall be credited a minimum of 15 hours for that trip.
E. Additional Pay
1. Pay for Drug and/or Alcohol Testing – See Section 16.I.2, Drug and
Alcohol Testing.
2. Training
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a. Home Study/Computer Based Training – See Section 14.H.5.,
Training.
b. Voluntary Training on a Day Off – See Section 14.H.4., Training.
3. Pick-Up of open time on day(s) off during the Secondary Line
Improvement Window – See Section 21.H.8.d., Scheduling.
4. Pick-Up of Open Time (when reserve coverage in domicile and status is
less than 10%) - See Section 21.A., Scheduling.
5. Junior Manning – A pilot who is Junior Manned shall be paid 150% of his
rate of pay for the greater of the following:
a. 3.75 hours per duty period of the trip or;
b. The pay for the trip as calculated in D., above.
6. Reassignment of a Lineholder – A pilot who is reassigned beyond his
original trip termination time shall be paid at 150% of his rate of pay for
the actual block time beyond his originally scheduled termination time.
7. Lost Days Off
a. Lineholder – See Section 21.K.1. through 3., Scheduling.
b. Reserve Pilot – See Section 21.K.4., Scheduling.
8. Red Flagged Open Time
a. Prior to an open trip’s departure, Crew Planning may red flag that
trip. Red flagged trips may only be picked up by lineholders on
days off and will be credited at the Junior Manning rate.
b. Crew Planning may remove the red flag designation from a trip at
any time prior to a lineholder picking up the trip or a reserve
being assigned the trip.


O. Profit-Sharing
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Section 3 – Compensation
1. The terms “Annual Award Pool,” “Award,” “Employment,” “Participant,”
and “Year” shall be defined as they are in the ExpressJet Airlines, Inc.
Profit Sharing Plan (“Profit Sharing Plan” or “the Plan”).
2. Participation and Sharing of Annual Award Pool
a. Pilots and Flight Instructors shall be participants in the Profit
Sharing Plan for the Year 2005 and all subsequent years of this
Agreement and shall share in the Annual Award Pool in all years
on the same basis as other Participants in accordance with the
provisions of the Plan. The profit sharing for pilots in 2004 will be
prorated from the date of signing of the new agreement until
December 31, 2004. Flight Instructors will receive full profit
sharing for 2004.
b. In accordance with the terms of the Plan, Pilots or Flight
Instructors whose employment ends prior to the last day of the
Year will be non-Participants in the Profit Sharing Plan and will not
share in the Annual Award Pool.
3. Termination of the Profit Sharing Plan
If the Company terminates the Profit Sharing Plan, all hourly aircraft pay
rates in the Agreement shall be increased on a one-time-only basis by
3%. If the Company terminates the Profit Sharing Plan and replaces it
immediately with another plan, the Association will have the option of
such pay rate increase or allowing pilots to participate in the new plan.
These rates will be increased on the effective date of the termination of
the Plan.

 

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Expenses and Hours of Service Sections

SECTION 4
EXPENSES
A. Hotels
1. A pilot will be provided and the Company will pay the cost of suitable
single-room hotels on all layovers, including any unscheduled layovers at
the pilot’s domicile and, upon the pilot’s request, for any breaks of 5.5
hours or more between flights while on duty. “Unscheduled layovers” are
those required by the Company or by operational considerations. The
Company will not be required to provide or pay for a hotel room when
the break is caused by a “rolling delay”, i.e., ATC, weather or mechanical
delays that are of unknown duration when they commence.
2. For layovers of 15 hours or more, downtown locations or hotels that offer
additional attractions, services or facilities will be provided if these hotels
meet the criteria listed below. The Association member of the Hotel
Committee may waive this provision on a city-by-city basis.
3. Criteria used for selection of hotels are security, cleanliness, distance
from the airport, availability of alternate food service, and cost
considerations.
4. A Hotel Committee consisting of Company and Association members will
meet and confer on the criteria, suitability and selection of hotels. The
Company will make selections after consultation with the Association.
Objections to a hotel by the Association committee members will be
brought to the attention of the Company. Upon receipt of the objections,
the Company will arrange a meeting with the Hotel Committee and
representatives of the hotel in question, if necessary, to resolve the
objections. If objections are not resolved and there is a breach of the
hotel contract, the Company will arrange for a new hotel without delay.
If the hotel contract has not been breached, the Company will arrange for
a new hotel at contract expiration when objections based upon the
agreed criteria have been raised and when other suitable alternatives are
available.
5. A pilot will not be responsible for local telephone calls made from his
layover hotel room.
B. Transportation
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Section 4 – Expenses
1. Transportation will be provided to and from the hotel. If suitable eating
facilities are not available at the hotel, transportation will be provided
between the hotel and an eating facility.
2. If transportation from the airport to a hotel is not available within 30
minutes after block-in, the Company will reimburse the crew for a taxi to
the hotel if the expense is substantiated by receipt.
C. Per Diem
1. Except as provided elsewhere in this Agreement, a pilot shall be paid per
diem from the time that he reports for an assignment, until the time he is
released from an assignment at his domicile, including unscheduled
layovers at the pilot’s domicile.
2. Per Diem shall be:
DOS $1.60
DOS + 24 mos. $1.65
DOS + 36 mos. $1.70
D. Training
A pilot assigned to training at a location other than his domicile will be provided
a hotel, transportation, and per diem from the time the pilot is required to report
for duty at his domicile or home of record to the training location until he is
released from duty at his domicile or his home of record, whichever is less.
E. Crew Meal
1. Upon request, a pilot will be provided passenger meals on those flights
when passengers receive meals. Additionally, when flight schedules do
not permit a pilot to purchase a meal and nutritional needs so require,
the pilot may call the next arrival station and request that he either be
provided a meal at his expense or the opportunity to purchase a meal.
Sufficient water will be provided.
2. The Company will discuss with the Association at its request the type and
quality of meals being provided.
F. General
1. Pilots shall be reimbursed for the actual cost of inoculations and all
passports, visas, certificates and other documents required by law or by
the Company for the performance of their duties.
2. The Company will pay for all medical examinations required by the
Company. This will not include required FAA medicals.
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Section 4 – Expenses
3. A pilot will be reimbursed for necessary additional expenses when special
operational situations arise. Receipts verifying the expenses must be
submitted within 30 days of incurring the expense. The Company will
reimburse the pilot within 2 weeks of the date the receipts are presented.
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SECTION 5
HOURS OF SERVICE
A. Duty Time
1. If a pilot’s duty begins between the hours of 0430 LT and 2100 LT, he
shall not be scheduled or rescheduled to be on duty for more than 13.5
consecutive hours except for stand-up trips or reserve phone availability.
Actual duty may extend to 15.5 hours because of weather, mechanical, or
ATC delays that directly affect that pilot’s flight(s).
2. If a pilot’s duty begins between the hours of 2101 LT and 0429 LT, he
shall not be scheduled or rescheduled to be on duty for more than 11
consecutive hours except for stand-up trips or reserve phone availability.
Actual duty may extend to 12.5 hours because of weather, mechanical or
ATC delays that directly affect that pilot’s flight(s).
Duty Time (LT) Scheduled Duty Actual Duty
2101 to 0429 11 12.5
3. A pilot may volunteer to exceed maximum duty time limits for the
purpose of deadheading to his domicile for trip termination.
4. Even though a pilot’s schedule is legal under the FAR’s and in
conformance with the limitations contained in this Agreement, he will
advise the Company if he believes that fatigue will result or that safety
will be compromised if he operates as scheduled or rescheduled. A pilot
should notify Crew Scheduling that he is fatigued at the earliest practical
time to allow for the least possible disruption to the Company’s service.
B. Rest Periods
1. Minimum rest periods must comply with the FAR’s. A pilot released from
duty will receive at least the minimum rest.
Duty Time (LT) Scheduled Duty Actual Duty
0430 to 2100 13.5 15.5
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Section 5 – Hours of Service
2. Minimum rest at a pilot’s domicile or temporary vacancy location is 11
hours from release to report. With the pilot’s approval, this rest may be
reduced if the Company provides a hotel room at or near the airport.
3. All operations, including repositioning aircraft, maintenance flights, etc.,
will be conducted in accordance with FAR Part 121 flight time regulations
regarding seven-day and calendar month flight time limitations.
C. Report and Release Times
1. Report times will be 60 minutes before scheduled departure time at the
pilot’s domicile and 45 minutes at an outstation.
2. Release times will be 15 minutes after block-in or upon completion of any
duty assigned by the Company (e.g., aircraft repositioning, drug or
alcohol tests, customs, etc.), whichever is later. There will be no debrief
period for deadhead flights unless clearing customs.
3. The Company may adjust report times at a domicile or outstation by up
to 15 minutes. Individual report times may be reduced up to 15 minutes
by Crew Scheduling to accommodate legality problems.
D. Amendment to the FAR’s
If there are changes in flight time limitations, rest requirements, or duty time
limitations under the FAR’s, the Company and the Association will meet, at the
request of either party, to discuss how any amendments will be applied to the
Company’s operations and the impact on provisions provided in the Agreement.
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SECTION 6
DEADHEAD
A. Deadhead by Air
1. When deadheading by air, a pilot will be provided positive space on-line
and off-line travel. The Company will make the necessary reservation
and will make a record locator number available no later than 2359 hours
CT the day before the deadhead assignment. An e-ticket boarding pass
will be made available by the time the pilot reports for the deadhead
assignment.
2. Deadhead will be credited and paid for the scheduled or actual flight
time, whichever is greater, when traveling on Company or Continental
Airlines flights or the scheduled flight time when traveling on another
airline.
3. A pilot will be scheduled to deadhead only on FAR Part 121 airlines, the
foreign equivalent of a Part 121 airline or, with pilot consent, other
airlines.
4. A pilot will not be required to deadhead by occupying the jumpseat.
However, a pilot may volunteer to occupy a jumpseat in order to
accommodate a revenue passenger.
5. The Company will not require a pilot to check-in less than thirty (30)
minutes prior to the scheduled departure time of the deadhead
assignment at the beginning of a duty period.

 

[nimtz]

Oh boy, here we go again. I can't help thinking back to the threads last year concerning whether CHQ or Mesa should take their respective deals. It's gonna get interesting. I'm holding off all judgement to I have the whole fr*cking TA in front of me along with a cold beer.

 

[145FO]

Omg

Is this a joke? 64.47 for 5th year captain? 1.60 per diem? Please tell me this is some sick joke.
$21.50/hr for first year FO! Quick everyone send in your resumes.
I will be attending the roadshow tomorrow, but at first glance this is an embarrasement. We weren't even offered growth in exchange for a crappy contract. (not that that should make any difference)

 

[Flying Horses]

Key Points from what I read

Compensation:

135/145 CA Pay: very similar to CHQ, about a dollar more per hour
135/145 FO Pay: 8 year scale, much better than CHQ, 8th year $7 more than CHQ, $3 more than Mesaba, the 2 most recent contracts

Notice No Scale for anything larger than EMB-145

75 hour guarantee

Block or Better

Junior Manning Paid 150%

$1.60/hour per diem (6.5% better than CHQ) 5 cent increase per year

Profit Sharing Plan worth the equivalent of 3% of payrates

100% deadhead pay


My opinion:

Not earth-shattering as people promised, but is the best since 9/11. Very similar to CHQ, but better than Mesa and Mesaba. Basically a TA that I completely expected. Getting better than Comair is not going to happen.

 

[nimtz]

My opinion:

Not earth-shattering as people promised, but is the best since 9/11. Very similar to CHQ, but better than Mesa and Mesaba. Basically a TA that I completely expected. Getting better than Comair is not going to happen.

I'll hold my head up high at work knowing that my pilot group equaled CHQ. Hey why don't they just thrown in a side letter for 70 seat pay being equal to 50 seat pay. I'm just about to upgrade so I need a little more growth! Although from what I've seen so far a few of the senior folk who planned on being lifers based on this contract might want to update the resumes after all.

 

[KingAirer]

135/145 FO Pay: 8 year scale, much better than CHQ, 8th year $7 more than CHQ, $3 more than Mesaba, the 2 most recent contracts

Actually the FO pay quoted above is almost identical to CHQ FO wages, a maybe a dollar or two here or there (would call that MUCH better). CHQs is a 4 year limit though, but the contract is amendable by then. I dont think there is many FOs above 4 years at CHQ.

Nimitz, There is a different pay scale for 50 and 70 seat rates for CA at CHQ.

 

[Flying Horses]

Pay for Lifers

I'll hold my head up high at work knowing that my pilot group equaled CHQ. Hey why don't they just thrown in a side letter for 70 seat pay being equal to 50 seat pay. I'm just about to upgrade so I need a little more growth! Although from what I've seen so far a few of the senior folk who planned on being lifers based on this contract might want to update the resumes after all.

For lifers, CHQ's pay is slightly better for 50 seat pay, XJet $97.09 in 2007 vs CHQ $103.30 in 2007
(However, it is $17/hour (22%) more than XJet's current 145 top-out pay.)

That's also not considering CHQ lifers flying the EMB-190 in the future: $119.32/hour top-out pay ($30/hour more than JetBlue's top EMB-190 CA payscale)

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Just say No!

Well yesterday before seeing the full TA, I was leaning toward yes based on optimism. Upon further review of the play, conclusive evidence points to NO. I think this presidential election might have some bearing on this vote also since the election is held before the vote ends I believe. Kerry is scum, but if he wins, even more leverage to negotiate for mo money should this TA be shot down.

Anyways a quick breakdown
Positives: new reserve rules rock, huge retro check, uniform allowance, leg by leg pay, everone at big brother ALPA (Duane Worth) and our MEC heads of state think this is an excellent deal. Of course that was the feeling back in 98 before the first TA was shot down as my understanding of the historical event.

Dissapointments: Pay!!!, per diem, not 60% Captain pay for FOs, 135 pay remains, DOS and longevity of contract stinks!!!!!!! (4 year contract sounds much better than 5 year; big however though, the last contract was signed as a 5 year contract in December 98 and the amendable date was October 97. That longevity of the contract including pay rates rightly began at October 97 making October 02 the 5 year point. This TA has the 4 year clock starting December 04 making December 08 the amendable date and realistically December 10. Arggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!) Very little in trip rigs/duty rigs.

Questionables - Will profit sharing pay out big or will the company throw an Enron and mystify the Net Income.

Road Shows should be interesting; might change my mind. I'm thirsty, are they serving Kool Aid?

 

[Double Shot]

Just Vote No!

 

[atrdriver]

DOS 6 year 145 Captain making a little less than I make now at 6 years on an ATR...and my contract is 6 years old...

atrdriver

 

[C210drvr]

Come on guys! What happened to ComAir plus 10%? You were giving CHQ a hard time a year ago. You can't negotiate better wages than CHQ after all of the talk?

 

[nimtz]

Nimitz, There is a different pay scale for 50 and 70 seat rates for CA at CHQ.

Sorry my friend but as I've often said on this board the 3 buck pay 'premium' or even the more impressive no pay 'premium' for a 70 seat captain is the worst thing regional pilots have done recently. Oh and don't forget FO's get nothing. Unfortuantely I don't see how it would be any different at Xjet if we were to acquire 70 seaters. Seventy seaters do not replace turboprops or start-up 'long thin routes' such as a 50 seater sometimes does. Mainline flying for 50 seat pay. Lovely business...

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Not much change... I'm just a nobody CFI but I'd vote no if it were up to me.

 

[xanderman]

Hey guys just curious about your proposed reserve rules. I thought I read here on this thread that the new rules "rock." Could you maybe share a little...
Thanks
Andy

 

[BoilerUP]

I presume this is the correct, same TA that was originally supposed to be released tomorrow?

If so, I must say I am a disappointed in the FO pay rates, after all isn't that what many in the peanut gallery blasted CHQ about, "throwing the FOs under the bus for growth" or something to that effect? I'd think a first year FO is worth at least $25/hr and a 5th year FO at least $45/hr, but then again I'm partial (I'm not hired yet). The captain rates, while not Comair + like so many here boasted they would be, don't seem too awful bad, but don't seem to be that much higher than CHQ. Also, as was previously mentioned, no "leaked" rates for 70 or 90 seat aircraft (I dont know if this is a good or bad thing).

There will be MANY pilots on this board dishing the few hardline XJT pilots on this board that blasted CHQ and Mesaba for their contracts if this is approved as it stands. Without the current XJT contract and the whole actual TA in front of me, I won't say what I would vote because that isn't important.

Regardless of the outcome of this TA, I once again would like to thank Neal (especially for his postings on this board) and the whole NC for their hard work; it sure seems to be a thankless responsibility.

 

[Flying Horses]

Well yesterday before seeing the full TA, I was leaning toward yes based on optimism. Upon further review of the play, conclusive evidence points to NO. I think this presidential election might have some bearing on this vote also since the election is held before the vote ends I believe. Kerry is scum, but if he wins, even more leverage to negotiate for mo money should this TA be shot down.

Fly2Scuba, see this thread:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=40869

 

[mckpickle]

Well ya we blasted CHQ and MESA, and its because of your contracts that we have what we have.


ps I love the scope section. Reads real nice for mergers of ALPA carriers. Hey CHQ you guys are teamsters right?