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EXPRESSJET LOA9, Must re-cast your vote

V1rowt8

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I just found out via the guy in the right seat that the vote that I cast earlier in the week is now null and void. Apparently the newly re-negotiated loa 9 that was approved by our MEC has to be voted on by the end of the month regardless of it being a revised loa. Our MEC has the authority to determine how much time is needed to notify the pilot group for a loa vote. The MEC is concerned that many pilots are not aware of the needing to re-cast their votes but the company has put pressure on the association to get this thing voted on by the end of the month. So there you have it. If you have cast your vote, you have to re submit it tomorrow the 22nd at 10:30 cst I believe is the time.
 

Nevets

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The vote is open from 1000CST October 22 to 1000CST October 31.
 

Turtlesfly

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XJT will, in a few days, be labeled as the biggest group of hypocrits ever. We post all the time "mesa sucks" and "BlowJets sucks" and all of that because they stab each other in the back and lower the bar . . .

. . . now that it's our turn, we run about swearing that the company will liquidate if we don't give up our pay. Glad to see we failed to put our money where our mouth is. We're no different than MESA - just not as far along in the giveback process.
 

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XJT will, in a few days, be labeled as the biggest group of hypocrits ever. We post all the time "mesa sucks" and "BlowJets sucks" and all of that because they stab each other in the back and lower the bar . . .

. . . now that it's our turn, we run about swearing that the company will liquidate if we don't give up our pay. Glad to see we failed to put our money where our mouth is. We're no different than MESA - just not as far along in the giveback process.

Do you even know why Mesa's contract sucks? No one ever wants to give anything away. There is usually a very good reason for it. Yeah, Mesa may suck, but for the people that always say that, I wonder if they even know why it sucks. If it matters to you what other people think, then go ahead and make your decisions with that in mind.
 

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The sad part is mesa is voting on a new contract that will be better then XJT.
 

cybourg10

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The sad part is mesa is voting on a new contract that will be better then XJT.

The sad part is even with a 6% paycut MESA's new contract still won't even be close in pay or QOL to the XJT contract.
 

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Do you even know why Mesa's contract sucks? No one ever wants to give anything away. There is usually a very good reason for it. Yeah, Mesa may suck, but for the people that always say that, I wonder if they even know why it sucks. If it matters to you what other people think, then go ahead and make your decisions with that in mind.

Source: ALPA magazine
 

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Source: ALPA magazine

I'm not sure what your point is. There is a specific reason why Mesa contract is the way it is. Do you know or do you just say "Mesa sucks" because everyone else says it and you care how everyone else sees you?
 
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Turtlesfly

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my point is: my info came from our union over time (and also info on the websites) - not from some flamer on flightinfo saying that Mesa sucks.

But on a different note - you are dangerously close to supporting Mesa more than XJT who you work for, who "ought to be taking these cuts," if I'm reading you right.

I mean, somebody says "Mesa sucks" and you get defensive. But when somebody talks about not giving back money at XJT, you also get defensive. What's the deal?
 

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my point is: my info came from our union over time (and also info on the websites) - not from some flamer on flightinfo saying that Mesa sucks.

But on a different note - you are dangerously close to supporting Mesa more than XJT who you work for, who "ought to be taking these cuts," if I'm reading you right.

I mean, somebody says "Mesa sucks" and you get defensive. But when somebody talks about not giving back money at XJT, you also get defensive. What's the deal?

Here is what I said:

Do you even know why Mesa's contract sucks? No one ever wants to give anything away. There is usually a very good reason for it. Yeah, Mesa may suck, but for the people that always say that, I wonder if they even know why it sucks. If it matters to you what other people think, then go ahead and make your decisions with that in mind.

And then you said: Source - ALPA magazine.

Are you saying that your source of Mesa sucking comes from the ALPA magazine? I think the source comes from their pilots. I've been reading the ALPA magazine for the last three years and I don't ever recall them saying anything disparaging about Mesa other than their management.

I actually agreed with you. If you read my quote again, I said, "yeah, Mesa may suck..." My point was that there is a reason why it may suck. Just like there is a reason why we came down the concession path. In fact, my exact quote when replying to you about that was, "for the people that always say that, I wonder if they even know why it sucks." My point was, do they say it because everyone else says it and or if they even know the circumstance behind their current contract. I'm sorry if you feel that it is dangerous to wonder about someone's ignorance when they make that statement. It was not meant to be defensive about Mesa at all. Its more a statement on the individual making the statement than on Mesa itself.

And just for your information, I do support the Mesa pilots in their plight just like I support all ALPA pilots in whatever challenge they happen to be facing at the time including, of course, XJT.

Also, you quoted the phrase, "ought to be taking these cuts" when talking about XJT as if I made that comment. If you can point to that comment I made I will clarify them. In fact, let me clarify it now. I'll make an argument as to why I feel that the concessions are necesary but I try to back them up with factual information also.

To me, in this context, the XJT concessions and the Mesa thing are two distinct things.
 
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