Expressjet in SLC and Cali

[Obi-Wan]

word is the 45 Rj's we bid for delta are mainly going to be operated out of SLC ( looks like we are getting them). Delta likes our service and is looking to strengthen their code share with CAL. Also, CAL wants more of the west coast market. Bakersfield is just the begining baby.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

And your reliable source is who? Besides, if Delta is going after Comair for concessions would they want us when we'll be making even more? Still, it would be nice.....

 

[DoinTime]

Yeah.....just like XJet is buying Pinnacle.

Flamebait.

 

[General Lee]

Obi-wan,

I think more of a E145 presence in CA would have to be closer than IAH, even though I know your XR's (?) can make it with the range. I bet Delta would go for you guys if it were the right price---not for your "wonderful" service. The managment over here now only cares about the price to them---and if Comair won't go lower, they probably will go for someone else for the new expansion. I don't see them getting rid of Skywest anytime soon, and they do a lot of CA flying from SLC. (They hit all of the big cities and even some small ones---like FAT, Palm Springs, SBA etc..) I guess they could try some new ones---like BUR (an old Skywest route from SLC), and Bakersfield, maybe Monterey, and Eugene in OR. I would also like to know where you found out any of this new info. My friends at COEX will be excited to leave CLE and come out West....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Ben Franklin]

like FAT

Is that the new identifier for Detriot, MI?

 

[sabreliner]

We've been told that decisions will not be announced or made until the end of Q1 2004. Don't any one go getting your undies in a wad until the official word is out.

 

[Captain X]

Yeah.....just like XJet is buying Pinnacle.

DoinTime, you may wanna do a little research on that "flamebait." Offer was on the table....NWAC wanted too much for PCL. Was a stock offer...not assets.

 

[asarjfo]

So let me get this straight, XJet is getting the 45 "phantom RJ's" for the DAL code.

Explain to me why this makes any sense since we are talking about CRJ's as opposed to the ERJ. Do you really think DAL is going to put up with the growing pains of you taking on a new airplane while they have two seperate wholly owned regionals that MAKE MONEY!?!?!?!

Comair made approx. 42 million in profit on 289 million in revenue.

ASA made approx. 27 million in profit on 200 million in revenue.

Why would mother Delta place the CRJ's with an ERJ operator that is still in contract negotians with CAL?

Am I the only one who sees a problem with this logic? Please post your "reliable source", and the janitor who overheard two guys talking in the bathroom does not count!

Good Day!

 

[Fly BI]

Bakersfield?

Obi-Wan,

Slow your roll...you ever been to Bakersfield? Trust me, nothing to get excited about.

 

[DoinTime]

DoinTime, you may wanna do a little research on that "flamebait." Offer was on the table....NWAC wanted too much for PCL. Was a stock offer...not assets.

Didn't happen though did it? I'm sure XJet has an offer on the table for the Delta RFP but that doesn't mean its going to happen now does it?

Everyone knows the Delta deal has not been decided and won't be decided for some time. So saying that the deal has already been landed and announcing new city pairs is pure flaimbait.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Slow your roll...you ever been to Bakersfield? Trust me, nothing to get excited about.

Yes, oil industry and enough business to constitute 2 flights a day to start out.

Why would mother Delta place the CRJ's with an ERJ operator that is still in contract negotians with CAL?

Delta is not giving us airplanes, we can buy our own. And yes we operate ERJ's. The bid only specifies a requirement for a 50 seat Jet, not the type. As far as CAL goes they let us make money where we want, afterall the big honchos at CAL own a whole lotta XJT stock. Management has said that our 100 options are going to be split between DAL, NWA, and our own point to point service. That would bring us up to a total of 375 A/C. They can speed up deliveries if they choose to. That would cover all the CAl flying and thensome.

 

[asarjfo]

Delta is not giving us airplanes, we can buy our own. And yes we operate ERJ's. The bid only specifies a requirement for a 50 seat Jet, not the type. As far as CAL goes they let us make money where we want, afterall the big honchos at CAL own a whole lotta XJT stock. Management has said that our 100 options are going to be split between DAL, NWA, and our own point to point service. That would bring us up to a total of 375 A/C. They can speed up deliveries if they choose to. That would cover all the CAl flying and thensome. [/B][/QUOTE]

So DCI is going to just throw away thier remaining CRJ options and pay CAL/XJet to purchase new airplanes on a fee for departure basis, while the two wholly owned regionals continue to make large profits........sure now I see the logic!

I think you may be jumping the gun just a bit, and you never did indentify your "source". I am not looking for a name just a position/title at XJet.

Good Day!

 

[Ben Franklin]

I think you may be jumping the gun just a bit, and you never did indentify your "source". I am not looking for a name just a position/title at XJet.

Obi-Wan is partially correct.

Not too long ago an entourage of Delta auditors came through and picked apart XJT's total operation from scheduling, planning, management and they even did some "ghostriding" on some of our flights as part of this audit. The audit lasted just over one week.

There were bulletins put out to all XJT employees to the effect of "ok, the cat's no longer away, be on your BEST behavior, blah, blah, blah"

As to the stock: The CEO of CAL owns the most XJT shares at 5,000. CAL, inc and the CAL retirement plan (which the CEO has some control over, I guess) are the REAL honchos ownin' the stock.

Back to the audit: The president and the VP of flight ops (affectionately known as the Jim & Jim Show) of XJT spoke of the audit numerous times on crew room/ training center visits and how we needed to show our best face as flying for Delta could be a "Real possibility" in the future based on our operation.

Personally, I don't think that DAL will give up a profitable organization just to give XJT a try. As was said earlier, it makes no logical sense. However, I'd bet that DAL has something else planned for XJT and we'll probably be hearing about it by the end of Summer '04.

That is my two shillings

Sincerely,

B. Franklin