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How do you get hired onto the merger committee with ALPA?


I'd really like to be a part of that committee.


Real soon.


Real, Real soon.
 
Dood, I've been trying to get on that committee since March, but they won't let me! And, I am a former Rep! I musta pissed on someone's sand castle :).

Seriously though, the committee is filled right now and the only way to get on it is if a current committee member leaves for whatever reason.

Frats,
 
CEO silly sap said:
how do you merge two different unions?
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Let's just say there were two pilot groups represented by oh.... the TEAMSTERS and ALPA or uh, whatever unions were involved.

Well depending on the outcome of the seniority integration I believe they would have to have a representational election...I think.

Tenga un día agradable!
 
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who is represented by the Teamsters, I dont know of any airline who has teamsters for a Union.

Now alpa on the otherside would have a fit if they lost a carrier to the teamsters.

Did CALMEC do a split ?
 
Are you guys implying that ExpressJet may buy another airline in the near future? Is this speculation based on the company's refusal to negotiate on scope or what? Come on - tell me the rumor!

By the way, ExpressJet ALPA does not exist until Monday morning at 12:01 CST. It is still CAL ALPA.
 
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Instigator said:
Yes
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Are you for real or are you just "instigating"?

If the XJT and CAL MEC's "split", when did it happen? Why did it happen?
 
Originally posted by Surplus1...
If the XJT and CAL MEC's "split", when did it happen? Why did it happen?
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It happened last week. It has been discussed for several years now, ever since CAL decided to morph Continental Express into ExpressJet Airlines. There are lots of reasons for the split, but it seems like the straw that broke the camel's back was the fact that several MEC reps from Continental said they would not vote in favor for authorizing a strike at ExpressJet. Also, there were several other disadvantages of the combined union, one being that ExpressJet was not represented at ALPA National with an Executive Vice President.

The whole thing is kind of bitter-sweet. My favorite part is that our MEC will be scab-free.
 
Thank you. When does the "split" take place officially?
 
12:01 AM Monday morning.


First XJET MEC Meeting also on Monday morning.

First Order of business: Elect MEC Leadership(Chair, V-Chair, Sec/Tres), current LEC Reps will remain in place.

Second Order of business: Debate the merits of taking a strike vote at this time.
 
Prop Trash said:
There are lots of reasons for the split, but it seems like the straw that broke the camel's back was the fact that several MEC reps from Continental said they would not vote in favor for authorizing a strike at ExpressJet.
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It should be noted that those CAL Reps that said this are SCABs. They are the CA and FO Reps of IAH LEC171, both of whom were hired during 1983 and vigorously oposed the merger with ALPA. The Reps from Guam joined them in their feud.

We had a very much support from the EWR and CLE LECs it is just that they were beaten down on by the IAH guys for so long. The SCABs threaten them with any kind of politcal action that they could think of all the way to personal legal action and threatening physical harm to other Rep's children. I was there and I heard it.

SCAB free MEC!
 
Capt. Caucasian said:
It should be noted that those CAL Reps that said this are SCABs. They are the CA and FO Reps of IAH LEC171, both of whom were hired during 1983 and vigorously oposed the merger with ALPA. The Reps from Guam joined them in their feud.

We had a very much support from the EWR and CLE LECs it is just that they were beaten down on by the IAH guys for so long. The SCABs threaten them with any kind of politcal action that they could think of all the way to personal legal action and threatening physical harm to other Rep's children. I was there and I heard it.

SCAB free MEC!
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Capt. Caucasian,
Many of us warned you when you joined ALPA that this was a mistake. You didn't listen and it seems you still refuse to accept the reality that the mainline interests are opposed to the regional interests. ALPA national will back the interests of the mainline pilots even if it comes at the expense of the regional pilots. I would encourage the XJT pilots to not look back and to move forward as a SEPARATE pilot group. Do not support the mainline pilots attempt to limit your careers. You have now joined a large group of regional pilots that attempted over the years to work with the mainline pilots only to realize that it doesn't work.

DAL/ASA,CMR
AA/Eagle
USAirways/ALG,PDT,PSA
United/ACA,AirWisc.
... have all come to this realization over time.

I suspect the NWA/Pinnacle,Mesaba group is next.... we shall see.
 
Capt. Caucasian said:
It should be noted that those CAL Reps that said this are SCABs. They are the CA and FO Reps of IAH LEC171, both of whom were hired during 1983 and vigorously oposed the merger with ALPA. The Reps from Guam joined them in their feud.
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Wow... This guy knows what happened...

Exactly, the SCABS threw us out of the MEC. Fu*k the SCABS!

InclusiveScope said:
Many of us warned you when you joined ALPA that this was a mistake. You didn't listen and it seems you still refuse to accept the reality that the mainline interests are opposed to the regional interests.
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I agree, but disagree. ALPA is the best show in town, even for a regional. Better than Teamsters, IMHO. Now, I agree that they need to do a better job representing the small jet carriers. I do not believe a poorly funded (it would be) "regional airline union" could take on ALPA and win.

I believe the best way to win this fight is from inside ALPA. At the current rate, there just may be more small jet pilots in ALPA than big jet pilots if the majors keep shrinking. We could take over by sheer numbers.

How do we now get the RJDC to start courting our new MEC??? I actually think it might be time.

Piss on the SCABS!!!!
 
InclusiveScope said:
Capt. Caucasian,
Many of us warned you when you joined ALPA that this was a mistake. You didn't listen and it seems you still refuse to accept the reality that the mainline interests are opposed to the regional interests. ALPA national will back the interests of the mainline pilots even if it comes at the expense of the regional pilots. I would encourage the XJT pilots to not look back and to move forward as a SEPARATE pilot group. Do not support the mainline pilots attempt to limit your careers. You have now joined a large group of regional pilots that attempted over the years to work with the mainline pilots only to realize that it doesn't work.

DAL/ASA,CMR
AA/Eagle
USAirways/ALG,PDT,PSA
United/ACA,AirWisc.
... have all come to this realization over time.

I suspect the NWA/Pinnacle,Mesaba group is next.... we shall see.
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I completely disagree with your assertions. The reasons why would require me to write a Surplus1esque response :). Being a very close part for two and a half years of what transpired I feel I can back up my stance. However, I really would like to discuss with you what and why this has happened. Besides, I hear you are an ASA pilot and I am from ATL. I am sure we have quite a few common friends. Drop me a line.

Frats,
[email protected]

PS: I do not blame one bit ALPA National.

PPS: Our SCABs have finally healed.
 
so.. can i stop being nice to the scabs when i see them on the bus, jumpseat, terminal, etc?


please?
 
InclusiveScope said:
Capt. Caucasian,
Many of us warned you when you joined ALPA that this was a mistake. You didn't listen and it seems you still refuse to accept the reality that the mainline interests are opposed to the regional interests. ALPA national will back the interests of the mainline pilots even if it comes at the expense of the regional pilots. I would encourage the XJT pilots to not look back and to move forward as a SEPARATE pilot group. Do not support the mainline pilots attempt to limit your careers. You have now joined a large group of regional pilots that attempted over the years to work with the mainline pilots only to realize that it doesn't work.

DAL/ASA,CMR
AA/Eagle
USAirways/ALG,PDT,PSA
United/ACA,AirWisc.
... have all come to this realization over time.

I suspect the NWA/Pinnacle,Mesaba group is next.... we shall see.
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Well said!
 
CRJDog said:
Well said!
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Oh my lord! I just sent an email to Inculsive explaining my/our position on that. It was so long my wife had to drag me off of the computer so I could take her out drinking last night. I didn't know my fingers could type that long with out falling off.

Anywho, I still don't think the RJDC applies at all to us. CAL pilots have got their collective heads up their collective a s s e s so far that I think they will start paying management to fly, because they saved the company before. Right? (note extreme sarcasm)

Frats,
 
Capt. Caucasian said:
Anywho, I still don't think the RJDC applies at all to us. CAL pilots have got their collective heads up their collective a s s e s so far that I think they will start paying management to fly, because they saved the company before. Right? (note extreme sarcasm)Frats,
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I hope you are right. We will see. If so, we have little to worry about. However, since the Chairman of the CAL Negotiating Committee hates Express as much as he does, I am keping a weary eye on things. I for one hope we will go the route of the RJDC if CAL's scope becomes that much of an issue.

P.S. Fu*k the SCABS!!!
 
I don't think TS can do much about Express right now. I don't think they are in much position to do anything. They already screwed up a contract extension that could have given them NWA rates two years ago. They really blew that one.

Also, they have been in negotiations for as long as we have with very little result. I don't think they have reached any thing close to being considered an A list item.

Frats,
 

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