Express Jet Jumpseat

[JGFlyer]

Can anyone tell me if Coex allows other CASS member airlines to occupy the cockpit Jumpseat? Thanks

 

[Superpilot92]

YES we do

 

[coginthewheel]

YES we do

but if you're goojet or mesa... ha. try it. most captains i know will use their discretion to make it harder for people lowering the bar to get to work.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Is GooJet even a part of CASS? Someone told me no . . .

 

[SkyBoy1981]

but if you're goojet or mesa... ha. try it. most captains i know will use their discretion to make it harder for people lowering the bar to get to work.

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that you are flying with XJT Captains that are denying Mesa pilots the jumpseat. If you are, they are ignorant and the minority. I'm not a fan of Mesa myself, but even I know better than that. I call bullsh!t on this one.

 

[BankAccount=0$]

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that you are flying with XJT Captains that are denying Mesa pilots the jumpseat. If you are, they are ignorant and the minority. I'm not a fan of Mesa myself, but even I know better than that. I call bullsh!t on this one.

Sorry Bro, but I just flew with a cappy today that told me that Mesa jumpseaters were not welcome on his jumpseat. I don't think he was "ignorant" either. It's the captains call not mine, but jumpseat wars benefit no one, that will be my policy when I upgrade (in the year 2010 )

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I have never flown with a captain at Express who has denied a Mesa Pilot the jumpseat and I can think of at least 10 occasions. They were always nice and the captain always welcomed them on board. After they took a seat in the back we would talk $hit about their company. It does no good to deny these guys the jumpseat. It only hurts commuters in general and is childish.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

We just offered the jumpseat to a Mesa guy to SHV a few weeks ago on a flight that I was working. The guy was very friendly and very appreciative to get a ride home.

What really irritates me with this is that some of us live out west and may at times need to depend on a Mesa jumpseat to get to work. The morons who are denying them jumpseats probably live in Kingwood and have absolutely no consideration for those of us that sometimes need to utilize jumpseats on other airlines.

 

[rattler]

I will be happy to give a Mesa pilot a ride anyday, But Johnny O can F@#k himself and buy a ticket.

 

[BigDave]

Just give them a ride, crap I use Mesa as an Express Pilot to get home ever now and then. Lets not make life any harder for us west coast commuters. Those captains that are not letting Mesa ride are a little too in to their power trips.

Now making fun of the Mesa guys once they are on board.....well that is fun.

 

[AviatorTx]

Now making fun of the Mesa guys once they are on board.....well that is fun.

Agreed.

I'll give 'em a ride... But they might get an earful. I've never left a Mesa guy.

A Ho-Jet pilot on the other hand, will NEVER ride.

 

[StarChecker]

but if you're goojet or mesa... ha. try it. most captains i know will use their discretion to make it harder for people lowering the bar to get to work.

Why is it that only FO's post ridiculous statements like this? Mesa's contract sucks ass, but they're welcome as long as I'm welcome on theirs. However, the GooJets clowns can walk as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Truckdriver]

but if you're goojet or mesa... ha. try it. most captains i know will use their discretion to make it harder for people lowering the bar to get to work.

This guy is either very new and very stupid, or he doesn't even work at XJT. There was one Captain here that denied a MESA pilot the jumpseat right after they signed their last contract. He was dealt with, and will most likely not deny a MESA guy a ride at this time. That is the only time I have heard of an XJT guy denying a jumpseat to a MESA guy. Other than that guy, I find it very hard to believe that an XJT Captain would deny a MESA pilot the jumpseat IF the jumpseat is available. If they do, get their name, PM it to me, and I'll personally go kick their a$$. I'll go out of my way to give a fellow ALPA pilot a ride anytime. A Hojet guy on the other hand shouldn't even waste his time showing up at the gate for a flight I'm working. As far as MESA goes, you guys are just as welcome as anyone else on my jumpseat and I apologize for the ignorant post of coginthewheel. If I knew who he was, he wouldn't get a ride on my jumpseat.

 

[Slice121]

but if you're goojet or mesa... ha. try it. most captains i know will use their discretion to make it harder for people lowering the bar to get to work.

Yeah, COEX guys really helped raise the bar thoughout the 90's when you had to pay $10K to Flight Safety to go through training! Give me a break. :nuts: I've worked for Air Midwest / Mesa for quite sometime and no fan of JO at all, but some of you really need to remember your own airlines' history. Even if you were in grade school back then.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Why is it that only FO's post ridiculous statements like this? Mesa's contract sucks ass, but they're welcome as long as I'm welcome on theirs. However, the GooJets clowns can walk as far as I'm concerned.

I'm an FO and I would never make such a statement. It has nothing to do with what seat the person is sitting in, just their overall ignorance.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Yeah, COEX guys really helped raise the bar thoughout the 90's when you had to pay $10K to Flight Safety to go through training! Give me a break. :nuts: I've worked for Air Midwest / Mesa for quite sometime and no fan of JO at all, but some of you really need to remember your own airlines' history. Even if you were in grade school back then.

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[Slice121]

What does this have to do with anything?

It has to do with my response to the post I quoted talking about lowering the bar. Mesa sucks, and pretty much all regionals suck, morons like that need to get over themselves cause flying a CRJ ain't that cool and ain't that difficult either. Management at all of our companies has done something to screw the working man in this industry(with very few exceptions). He can blame our sh!tty contract, I can blame PFT. It goes on and on...

 

[SkyBoy1981]

It has to do with my response to the post I quoted talking about lowering the bar. Mesa sucks, and pretty much all regionals suck, morons like that need to get over themselves cause flying a CRJ ain't that cool and ain't that difficult either. Management at all of our companies has done something to screw the working man in this industry(with very few exceptions). He can blame our sh!tty contract, I can blame PFT. It goes on and on...

And did you not see where a large group of other XJT pilots jumped all over the guy for such an idiotic statement? I'm just wondering why you felt the need to drag the argument to a whole different level.

 

[CALnTX]

Yeah, COEX guys really helped raise the bar thoughout the 90's when you had to pay $10K to Flight Safety to go through training! Give me a break. :nuts: I've worked for Air Midwest / Mesa for quite sometime and no fan of JO at all, but some of you really need to remember your own airlines' history. Even if you were in grade school back then.

Sorry it was $8500 and back in the mid 90s most commutters were pft except for say Eagle and those guys are still sitting in the right seat of an RJ. Most if not all of those pfters at XJT are now at CAL in the right seat of a 757 or 737 and some are upgrading to Captain this year in the 737. Not a bad investment, aint' much different than a $7500 type just to get an interview at Southwest. SO hows life at MESA or Air Midwest?

 

[erj-145mech]

And lets not forget that Johnny O was in the CEO seat at Continental Express back then either.

 

[taxicabdriver]

Sorry it was $8500 and back in the mid 90s most commutters were pft except for say Eagle and those guys are still sitting in the right seat of an RJ. Most if not all of those pfters at XJT are now at CAL in the right seat of a 757 or 737 and some are upgrading to Captain this year in the 737. Not a bad investment, aint' much different than a $7500 type just to get an interview at Southwest. SO hows life at MESA or Air Midwest?

Sounds like someone went the PFT route.
Airline Job-$8500
Proudly paying for a job, cutting in line, lowering the industry-priceless

 

[CALnTX]

Sounds like someone went the PFT route.
Airline Job-$8500
Proudly paying for a job, cutting in line, lowering the industry-priceless

"Airline job=$8500"..still people had to apply and pass an interview

"Cutting in line?" what mythical line?

" lowering the industry" ...actually the industry got better. it went from turboprops to rjs at most places......did get rid of pft...... got paid better wages over the past 10 years......better QOL for most....... .hardly lowering the industry.....

anyways this thread isn't about that so pm me if you want to continue..otherwise have a good one......cheers

 

[indianboy7]

Can anyone tell me if Coex allows other CASS member airlines to occupy the cockpit Jumpseat? Thanks

isn't that was CASS is for?????????

 

[Ezralite]

Sounds like someone went the PFT route.
Airline Job-$8500
Proudly paying for a job, cutting in line, lowering the industry-priceless

TOOL.

 

[mckpickle]

Nice how this has turned into a PFT dispute. FUnny how as Dave said, Orstien started the PFT at COEX. Also funny how in the mid-late 90's most regional were PFT. Our Contract 95 was pretty pathetic. Lets keep in mind the gains we got in C97 and then in C04. I hardly think a MESA/Airmidwest guy has a stone to throw. Work on your own house.

As far as the JS. I've not gotten one complaint of a MESA guy being denied the JS by a captain.....by a gate agent maybe but I've not gotten any reports. Of course I hear the MESA JS guy has recently left. The only time I've heard of our guys giving Mesa guys any problems is to the ORIGINAL 87 Freedom pilots.

 

[Slice121]

My response to an earlier poster wasn't to start a PFT debate. I was simply stating that other companies have done their part in the past as far as "lowering the bar" and I used PFT as an example of that because it in no way benefited any pilot group. As far as JO, I've never been a fan and never will be. I don't know if he started the PFT trend or not, but he wasn't working at Comair or several other commuters that were on the bangwagon back then. I've got several friends at XJT, my reply was not meant as a personal attack.

 

[Slice121]

Sorry it was $8500 and back in the mid 90s most commutters were pft except for say Eagle and those guys are still sitting in the right seat of an RJ. Most if not all of those pfters at XJT are now at CAL in the right seat of a 757 or 737 and some are upgrading to Captain this year in the 737. Not a bad investment, aint' much different than a $7500 type just to get an interview at Southwest. SO hows life at MESA or Air Midwest?

Hey, if you can justify in your own mind that it's OK to pay for required training fine, but you won't convince me or many others. Correct me if I'm wrong but you didn't even get a type with that right!? Mesa life is great, since I'm on mil leave(which equates to approx 4th year CAL FO WB pay) and waiting on call back from a major...thanks for askin'.