Expected movement

[General Lee]

Expected movement is towards chapter 11....

The increase in cost and the reduction in demand will significantly stress all the airlines during the next few years

Doubtful. Consolidation will create 3 large legacies with better pricing power. Throw in SWA not having hedges to lower fares, and extra ancillary revenue now available from bag and change fees, and the future does look good for airlines that can afford the gas, sans another 9-11 type event. Look at this recent recession, most legacies still had record profits, even with Europe imploding.


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[General Lee]

Well with the new scope at UCAL if the TA passes I expect movement from the bottom of our list to the bottom of Skywest or Republic lists, or maybe UsAir for the lucky ones.

The scope at Delta has turned the other way. More 50 seaters will be leaving than 76 seaters coming. Over 200 50 seaters HAVE TO leave. Those routes the 50 seaters are currently flying will be covered by 70 and 76 seaters, trying to make more profits than 50s could due to higher gas. Then, throw in 88 717s covering routes that those previous 76 seaters were flying, trying to increase the profits the 76 seaters were making.

That is something not available yet to the UCAL pilots, 717s or some sort of a "100 seater." Their TA seems to just increase the number of 76 seaters, not mandate a reduction of 50 seaters, and nothing in the 100 seat range to "recapture" ex Mainline routes that went to the Regionals 10 years ago. Let's hope UCAL guys demand that. And those 717s will be paying $195 an hour in the left seat by 2015 (12th year pay), and it will be the smallest DL plane by then. Not bad... Btw, the 17 remaining DC9s will now stay until early 2014, and 14 MD90s will be entering the fleet in 2013, along with 739ERs and 717s.



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[jonjuan]

The scope at Delta has turned the other way. More 50 seaters will be leaving than 76 seaters coming. Over 200 50 seaters HAVE TO leave. Those routes the 50 seaters are currently flying will be covered by 70 and 76 seaters, trying to make more profits than 50s could due to higher gas. Then, throw in 88 717s covering routes that those previous 76 seaters were flying, trying to increase the profits the 76 seaters were making.

That is something not available yet to the UCAL pilots, 717s or some sort of a "100 seater." Their TA seems to just increase the number of 76 seaters, not mandate a reduction of 50 seaters, and nothing in the 100 seat range to "recapture" ex Mainline routes that went to the Regionals 10 years ago. Let's hope UCAL guys demand that. And those 717s will be paying $195 an hour in the left seat by 2015 (12th year pay), and it will be the smallest DL plane by then. Not bad... Btw, the 17 remaining DC9s will now stay until early 2014, and 14 MD90s will be entering the fleet in 2013, along with 739ERs and 717s.



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Then why according to the "other" site is the list shrinking (someone said they "moved up" 800 in 4 years with zero hiring) and no hiring planned for a long time?

 

[General Lee]

Then why according to the "other" site is the list shrinking (someone said they "moved up" 800 in 4 years with zero hiring) and no hiring planned for a long time?

The list is shrinking a bit because we have had a few early out retirements and have decreased capacity in the last year or two, mainly because the widebodies are getting modifications to the lie flat seats and video units in each seat (744). The economy has made each airline bring capacity down slightly to help increase fares. Now add 88 717s, 14 MD90s, and hundreds of retirements per year coming up here. It's call upward movement, something you aren't used to yourself, being a lav dumper in Minot....oh wait, you didn't get that job either. Maybe someday....good luck with that.


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[CrimsonEclipse]

Expected movement is towards chapter 11....

The increase in cost and the reduction in demand will significantly stress all the airlines during the next few years

Wash, rinse, repeat.