Expected MESA shutdown?

[SoberIrishman]

Anyone got an estimated date of the demise of MESA? Currently JO seems to have more lives than OJ.

 

[79%N1]

They won't shut down.........

 

[SoberIrishman]

But what happens if they can't pay the bondholders? Do they have the market cap to continue borrowing? How can they continue to issue shares ad-infinitum?
No equity=no working capital.

 

[Lampshade]

I believe Mesa is down to it last 15-20 mil before it "has" to file. But if the bond holders give him a pass and they work something out with Delta they can limp along for a while.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Here's a better question....

What will actually happen if they DO go T-U?

 

[SoberIrishman]

Let's hope it works out for all. MESA bashing aside, there are livelihoods at stake.

 

[T/SF34/A]

JO must be printing his own "bail out" $$$

 

[SoberIrishman]

The vultures will descend and pick up the pieces, hopefully at a higher level of remuneration for services by holding the majors feet to the fire more than MESA could. There will be a severe depletion of connecting service capacity due to the fact that MESA is so large, and a lot of RJs listed on the aviation equivalent of Ebay!

 

[Flyerdan]

I see this discussion over and over again and I always wonder why people think Mesa would just shut down and liquidate without first going into bankruptcy. Isn't it more likely that Mesa would go into bankruptcy, restructure, and then continue as a somewhat smaller company?

 

[crj567]

Maybe J.O. will get busted in 'Vegas, just trying to get his "property" back by means of armed robbery!

-Wouldn't that be awesome!?!

 

[Metro752]

If Mesa goes into bankruptcy they lose Delta flying. United, and US Airways may also terminate their agreements with Mesa if they go into bankruptcy.

 

[Flyerdan]

If Mesa goes into bankruptcy they lose Delta flying. United, and US Airways may also terminate their agreements with Mesa if they go into bankruptcy.

Why is that? Wouldn't a bankruptcy court try to shield them from that happening?

 

[Raoul Duke]

Bankruptcy would not affect their agreements, they would file and immediately affirm those contracts and reject all 50 seat aircraft. If anything their filing BK would make them more attractive to Airways, United and Delta because they could use bk the same way as the majors to come out with the absolutely lowest costs operation. Be careful what you wish for, the unintended consequences may be much worse that the status quo.

 

[Metro752]

Use the search function on this message board. This has been discussed a million times, and the contracts are posted somewhere.

 

[yourhairsonfire]

Anyone got an estimated date of the demise of MESA? Currently JO seems to have more lives than OJ.

Don't forget...OJ (#32) ran out of lives...he's in prison...

 

[waka]

Use the search function on this message board. This has been discussed a million times, and the contracts are posted somewhere.

Sometimes it's better to start a fresh thread than to resurrect a much hackneyed older thead just because some random "use the search feature" Nazi said so.


:bomb: :uzi:

( I bet that you're one of those that guard the guard frequency to jump on anyone that transmits on 121.5)

 

[Captain Overs]

They won't shut down.........

If the Cardinals win the Super Bowl then I'd get scared. You'd have the first black president and a Cardinal's Super Bowl in the same year. Anything can happen!

 

[Broke in CVG]

Bankruptcy would not affect their agreements, they would file and immediately affirm those contracts ....

You are 100% incorrect about this. I know for a FACT that DL's contract with Mesa stipulates that a change of ownership or Bankruptcy is immediate terms for cancellation of the contract with no penalty or notice.

 

[Broke in CVG]

Oh... and MESA SUCKS!

 

[Lampshade]

US Airways Code-Sharing Agreements
The code-share agreement is subject to termination prior to that date in various circumstances including:

• If our flight completion factor or arrival performance in our Phoenix hub falls below certain levels for a specified period of time, subject to notice and cure rights;
• If either US Airways or we become insolvent, file for bankruptcy or fail to pay our debts as they become due, the non-defaulting party may terminate the agreement;
• Failure by us or US Airways to perform the covenants, conditions or provisions of the code-share agreement, subject to 15 days notice and cure rights;
• If we or US Airways fail to make a payment when due, subject to ten business days notice and cure rights;
• If we are required by the FAA or the U.S. Department of Transportation ("DOT") to suspend operations and we have not resumed operations within three business days, except as a result of an emergency airworthiness directive from the FAA affecting all similarly equipped aircraft, US Airways may terminate the agreement;
• Upon a change in our ownership or control without the written approval of US Airways.

United Code-Sharing Agreement

The code-share agreement is subject to termination prior to these dates under various circumstances including:
If certain operational performance factors fall below a specified percentage for a specified time, subject to notice and cure rights;

Failure by us to perform the material covenants, agreements, terms or conditions of the code-share agreement or similar agreements with United, subject to thirty (30) days notice and cure rights;

If either United or we become insolvent, file bankruptcy or fail to pay debts when due, the non-defaulting party may terminate the agreement; or

In the event that we merge with, or if control of us is acquired by another air carrier or a corporation directly or indirectly owning or controlling another air carrier.

Delta Code-Sharing Agreement

The agreements may be subject to early termination under various circumstances including:

• 
  [*] If either Delta or we file for bankruptcy, reorganization or similar action or if either Delta or we make an assignment for the benefit of creditors;
  
  [*] If either Delta or we commit a material breach of the code-share agreement, subject to 30 days notice and cure rights; or
  
  [*] Upon the occurrence of an event of force majeure that continues for a period of 30 or more consecutive days.

In addition, Delta may immediately terminate the agreements upon the occurrence of one or more of the following events:

If there is a change of control of Freedom or Mesa;

If there is a merger involving Freedom or Mesa;

If we fail to maintain a specified completion rate with respect to the flights we operate for Delta during a specified period; or

If our level of safety is not reasonably satisfactory to Delta.

 

[Metro752]

Sometimes it's better to start a fresh thread than to resurrect a much hackneyed older thead just because some random "use the search feature" Nazi said so.


:bomb: :uzi:

( I bet that you're one of those that guard the guard frequency to jump on anyone that transmits on 121.5)

No, I'm the young sounding guy who guards 121.5 from the guard guards.

NO, YOU'RE ON GUARD

similar to

NO, YOU'RE A TOWEL

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

If the Cardinals win the Super Bowl then I'd get scared. You'd have the first black president and a Cardinal's Super Bowl in the same year. Anything can happen!

don't worry pitt is gonna smash arizona

 

[DOVPILOT]

there are livelihoods at stake.

yeah right, like sleeping on a plank between seats on a standup, sleeping on coffee tables in ORD crew room, crappy work rules and a host of other SH!TTY things, that is really living. uke:

 

[Erlanger]

Mesa and the cockeroach will outlive everyone.

 

[CEO silly sap]

A more interesting situation would be the bondholders bail out Mesa on the condition that JO resign and divest from MESA and MESA HOLDINGS.

Ah the sound rings in the ears of many.

 

[Raoul Duke]

You are 100% incorrect about this. I know for a FACT that DL's contract with Mesa stipulates that a change of ownership or Bankruptcy is immediate terms for cancellation of the contract with no penalty or notice.

I am not saying it is not in the contract, I am saying bankruptcy law says those provisions are not enforceable. Think about it, every contract would say that and it would make bankruptcy laws meaningless.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Mesa and the cockeroach will outlive everyone.

Truer words have never been spoken brah!

Honestly I predict that not only will they stay around but they will be hiring not too long ago.

 

[rickair7777]

I am not saying it is not in the contract, I am saying bankruptcy law says those provisions are not enforceable. Think about it, every contract would say that and it would make bankruptcy laws meaningless.

You are completely confused. Being in BK allows you to void contracts which cause YOU to have an obligation to another party...ie if you have a long-term contract with a hotel or fuel vendor you can void it. Or a pilot contract...

YOU being in BK does NOT void contracts you have with YOUR customers...BK cannot force YOUR customers to keep doing business with you under terms to which they never agreed.

All regional lift contracts have a BK void clause, and a BK regional cannot selectively delete the BK void clause but chose to keep that part of the contract which requires that your customer to pay you!

Again...BK allows you to get out of paying people whom you owe money to, or get out of contracts which would require you to pay money to other people. It does NOT force anyone to pay YOU money.

 

[Flyerdan]

You are completely confused. Being in BK allows you to void contracts which cause YOU to have an obligation to another party...ie if you have a long-term contract with a hotel or fuel vendor you can void it. Or a pilot contract...

YOU being in BK does NOT void contracts you have with YOUR customers...BK cannot force YOUR customers to keep doing business with you under terms to which they never agreed.

All regional lift contracts have a BK void clause, and a BK regional cannot selectively delete the BK void clause but chose to keep that part of the contract which requires that your customer to pay you!

Again...BK allows you to get out of paying people whom you owe money to, or get out of contracts which would require you to pay money to other people. It does NOT force anyone to pay YOU money.

It sounds like you know what you are talking about but does that necessarily mean Mesa's customers would automatically dump them if they are still the cheapest out there?

 

[Salukipilot4590]

It sounds like you know what you are talking about but does that necessarily mean Mesa's customers would automatically dump them if they are still the cheapest out there?

Well they might based on stability and confidence.