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It seems your headline is a little different than the webpage you are linking to.

There is no indication at all that this constitutes a "lie," inasmuch as you would dearly like to believe that was the case.

Powell's statement is merely an acknowlegment that our gutted human intelligence capability may not have done a good enough job in generating "solid" information. Nothing more, nothing less.

Many people who had information about what was evident before we went in, such as Kennedy and Kerry, are still talkking about Bush "lying". Knowing what they know, it is a lie in itself to keep saying that Bush lied about WMD's. They know he didn't lie, but lie in saying that he did.

So, your conclusion is also a "lie."
 
Our gov't would never lie to the people!

Of course they won't come out directly and admit that they lied about the intel. That would be political suicide! So they have to dance around the issue, appoint committees that will investigate the issue that won't conclude their investigations until well after the election. So taking that into account, they lied and just won't come out and say it because it will surely be their ticket out in November.
 
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As for those trailers, they remain highly suspicious.

The Iraqis claim they were used for producing hydrogen for weather balloons.

So we're to believe Saddam had a keen interest in weather reporting and research in the arid desert, and constructed elaborate trailers to produce hydrogen? The whole rest of the world uses simple chemical generators to produce hydrogen for balloons.
The fermenting vessels and pipes in the trailers didn't have any sign of bio-weapons, as would be expected if they had been sterilized (which Saddam had several months to do).

Just another example of how the Democrats' and media's claims of "no trace of WMDs found" are completely false.
 
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Just another example of how the Democrats' and media's claims of "no trace of WMDs found" are completely false.

Um, it's very convenient of you to blame the Democrats and media when it was David Kaye, the BUSH ADMINSTRATION'S weapons inspector who said "no trace of WMDs were found."

So if you're saying the claims of no WMD are completely false, do realize it's actually the Bush adminstrations that's now saying it? Nice try...
 
Um, it's very convenient of you to blame the Democrats and media when it was David Kaye, the BUSH ADMINSTRATION'S weapons inspector who said "no trace of WMDs were found."

Actually, David Kaye was an inspector under the Clinton administration. We allowed, along with the UN, to have the inspectors shuttled around Iraq in a giant shell game. Sadaam had years, literally years to hide or move WMD's out of the country to people who shared his ideology. We kept David Kaye for consistency, just as we did with Clarke.

Everyone has 20/20 hindsight, a wonderful advantage when your aim is to criticize. The apparent fact that our intel was at fault does not mean that this is a lie. It means that our country, using the best information we had, exercised due dilligence based on that information.

If anything is really learned here, it isn't that a lie was told, which by definition would mean an intentional deceit. It means that we need better intel.

We will soon hear about who voted against strengthening our intelligence capability, just as we have seen what negative effect those votes had on our ability to gather solid, quality intel.
 
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So they haven't found proof-positive evidence of WMD. My question is this: "Do you actually believe that a guy like Saddam Hussein would NOT have WMDs?! The guy got off slaughtering his people and his daughter's husbands. It would be foolish to think that he didn't/doesn't have WMD's in Iraq. Just because we can't find them doesn't mean they aren't there. Maybe they aren't in Iraq, maybe in a neighboring country. Maybe he funded the development while they were being made in another country. Either way, the war in Iraq has helped the Iraqis and has at least slowed down terrorism.
 
RIGHT !!!!!! What a much safer world we now live in present day.

If you compare our present level of safety, which is difficult to quantify, with what our likely level of safety would be had we not taken the actions we have taken, then yes. We are safer now.
 
If you compare our present level of safety, which is difficult to quantify, with what our likely level of safety would be had we not taken the actions we have taken, then yes. We are safer now


The war in Iraq really makes us safer and a better world?, sure.!!!
If we had not taken the action huh? Maybe you are right, I guess your hero Bush would not have become a laughing stock to many Americans and nations then also.

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It was a general consensus during 90s and up to 2003 that Iraq had WMD. It was not something Bush just came up with in 2001, although he decided to act more decisively upon it than previous administrations. Clinton, Kerry and Albright also thought Saddam had WMD too. Every world intel agency stilll thought Iraq had banned weapons.

We know Iraq had WMD in the past, no one still knows definitely what happened. If Iraq did destroy them, they sure did not have it supervised and documented, like countries typically do. Some think that Saddam as of late had been promoting the idea that Iraq had vast WMD, so his neighbors feared him. He may had thought Russia and France would keep any action from happening against Iraq.
 
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The war in Iraq really makes us safer and a better world?, sure.!!!
If we had not taken the action huh? Maybe you are right, I guess your hero Bush would not have become a laughing stock to many Americans and nations then also.

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You are straying from the discussion and attempting to bring in elements that are not a part of the discussion.

I have never said Bush was my "hero." I HAVE said that I have many differences with him, but far less than I do with Kerry. The Americans who are "laughing" are none of my concern. I consider them the same way I consider the French: interested in promoting a socialist agenda that is against America, and intested in pursuing a course of appeasement of the terrorists.

I think that course is unwise.

And yes, un-American.
 
Lies... hmmmm... I remember a big hoopla a few years ago about lies and cover-ups and misinformation and finger pointing...

'I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.'

Now, given the relative petty cause of that uproar (an affair and lying to a grand jury) and the outcome (impeachment of a sitting US president), what should be the actions taken against a president/government that:

Lied/misled/(whatever) the American people, the US Congress and the United Nations;
Invaded a sovereign nation because of that (mis)information dispite the fact that UN-mandate inspections were taking place;
Overthrew a government and defied international consensus; and
Caused the deaths of hundreds of American soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines?

The American government, as do ALL legitimate governments, have a responsibility to ensure that actions such as those taken by the Bush administration are justified, logical and worthwhile.

I didn't like Saddam anymore than the next guy, but do I want the EU invading the US because it feels that the wrongful imprisonment of foreign nationals, the discrimination against homosexuals and racial minorities and the faultering state of healthcare, corporate corruption and social benefits are violations of human rights? No. It's our country and we're going to f*ck it up as much as we want.

Bush said time and time again that the US would not become the world's police; let's please have a look at Afghanistan and Iraq. If those don't qualify as two police states of the US, I don't know what does.

The Bush administration is FULL of excuses...

'Saddam has WMD and they pose a real and credible threat to the US'; 'Uh, well, uhm, he could have had them, but he was probably just talking about it, I mean, we can't find any, but I'm sure if he did have 'em, he would have, uhm, pointed 'em at us.'

'Saddam is sponsoring Al-Queda and is in contact with bin Laden'; 'Well, euh, we can't find any documentation showing a link... There was a guy possibly connected to an off shoot of Al-Queda that was maybe somewhere in Iraq, but we can't prove with whom he met and about want they talked, but come on, people, they're all ragheads - they all know one another!'

(No, these are not direct quotes, but rather generalities of before and after.)

In any case, the Republicans continue to move the US back into the stone age... The citizens of most advanced nations in the world laugh at the American (Republican) attempts to thrawt the rights of minorities, bully smaller nations into alliegances, and impeach a president over a cigar. But of course, no good conservative will ever admit fault for anything. Just wag your finger at the Democrats, the Muslims and the French and say 'It's all their fault! We're doing what's right! Get over it!' Amature, third grader behavior.

TysV
 
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ATL2CDG

You're right-

We should return Saddam to the palace of his choice, brush the dirt off his shoulders, and apologize for our unjustified aggression towards his peaceful nation. We should also rebuild his military at our taxpayers' expense. It was, after all, our warmongering president who caused his country's decline into famine and lawlessness. Right?

I'm sorry you have such a shameful image of your country. If it wasn't for this country, millions of people would have been murdered or tyrannized by their leaders over the past century. I'm sure most of those people won't forget America's sacrifices on their behalf.

As for wagging our fingers, that's a right that has been preserved by all the Americans who have made the ultimate sacrifice. Be grateful that you can wag your finger at all! In all of the nations that we have 'bullied', that may have gotten you and/or your loved ones jailed or killed.
Personally, I wag my finger at the Democrats for automatically taking the opposite view of President Bush, even when it jeopardizes our nation's security. I wag my finger at the Muslims for allowing extremists within their ranks to murder tens of thousands of innocent people over the past few decades, and I wag my finger at the French for supporting and selling weapons to every rouge nation on the face of the Earth. That's my viewpoint, and I'm grateful to be able to express it without fear. If that's third-grade behavior, so be it.
 
Once again.....

............you all must realize that if nothing were done in Iraq...had we simply allowed the UN to continue to bark and not bite with respect to the resolutions and inspections...if the current administration would have handled this situation exactly as it's opponents are now saying it should have, the criticism would be just as prevelent.

You would all be saying..."look at the human rights nightmare in Iraq...Bush just sits back and does nothing..Sadaam has weapons that could be used by terrorists! Why doesn't he act?" Give me a break.

W = Whatever:rolleyes:
 
Lied/misled/(whatever) the American people, the US Congress and the United Nations;

A lie is a statement that the speaker knows is not true. I'll now ask you to produce some sort of proof, or even a reasonable theory (since I'm in a generous mood) to show me that Bush did not believe that there were WMD's in Iraq, just like Kerry, Kennedy, Albright, Clinton... need I go on?

How praytell does this become a lie? Is it some sort of medication, or just an abject hatred of the president?



Invaded a sovereign nation because of that (mis)information dispite the fact that UN-mandate inspections were taking place;

The inspections were not taking place according to the mandate. The inspectors did not have the free reeign they needed to do their job well. The Iraquis were not only involved in obstructing the inspectors, they were in violation of the agreement that had led to the cessation of hostilities after the Gulf War. They were also in violation of some dozen UN resolutions. Who enforces most UN resolutions? We do.



Overthrew a government and defied international consensus

That's what we did during WWII. We also did so in 1776, not to metion in response to UN 1441. Your point?



Caused the deaths of hundreds of American soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines?

War always causes death. That's what soldiers sign up to do: possibly, but hopefully not, give their lives for their country. This is why the world is as free as it is today; because Americans are willing to fight for freedom. Not only ours, but the freedom of others, people we don't even know. Our biggest critics in the UN can thank Americans for their freedom, their education (most were educated here in private schools and universities), and their building. Were it not for Americans dying, invading, and overthrowing, many of them would not even have been born.



I didn't like Saddam anymore than the next guy, but do I want the EU invading the US because it feels that the wrongful imprisonment of foreign nationals, the discrimination against homosexuals and racial minorities and the faultering state of healthcare, corporate corruption and social benefits are violations of human rights? No. It's our country and we're going to f*ck it up as much as we want.

Sounds like you don't like a free country very much. I recommmend France. Sounds like it's right up your alley.



Bush said time and time again that the US would not become the world's police; let's please have a look at Afghanistan and Iraq. If those don't qualify as two police states of the US, I don't know what does.

We are not "the world's police." That would mean we would respond to the beck and call of the UN, which isn't always the case. Iraq and Afghanistan are both actions which put terrorists and state sponsors of terrorism on notice, and we are one of a group of countries taking the lead for freedom in this way.

Tell me (I never get a response when I ask this): what is your plan for dealing with terrorist activity?



'Saddam has WMD and they pose a real and credible threat to the US'; 'Uh, well, uhm, he could have had them, but he was probably just talking about it, I mean, we can't find any, but I'm sure if he did have 'em, he would have, uhm, pointed 'em at us.'


That's a great liberal response. I order to do that, you had to pretend to put words in someone's mouth. You weren't able to quote a fact, or cite an example of a deliberate lie. You just constructed an imaginary sentence to support an imaginary position.

It never fails to amaze me...



'Saddam is sponsoring Al-Queda and is in contact with bin Laden'; 'Well, euh, we can't find any documentation showing a link... There was a guy possibly connected to an off shoot of Al-Queda that was maybe somewhere in Iraq, but we can't prove with whom he met and about want they talked, but come on, people, they're all ragheads - they all know one another!'

More of the same schoolyard technique. Weak.



(No, these are not direct quotes, but rather generalities of before and after.)

Nope. They're fantasies. Liberal fantasies. That's all.



In any case, the Republicans continue to move the US back into the stone age... The citizens of most advanced nations in the world laugh at the American (Republican) attempts to thrawt the rights of minorities, bully smaller nations into alliegances, and impeach a president over a cigar. But of course, no good conservative will ever admit fault for anything. Just wag your finger at the Democrats, the Muslims and the French and say 'It's all their fault! We're doing what's right! Get over it!' Amature, third grader behavior.

First of all, it was the Republicans who are responsible for the passage of the civil rights act of 1964. The first black kid in scouts in our suburban Philadlephia town came to pack meetings sitting next to me, four years before the civil rights act was passed. I wish you guys would get your facts straight. Too much to ask, I know. Exactly which rights are being suppressed by Republicans?

Answer: none. The Constitution is the document that describes "rights." Those rights, according to the founders, come from God. If you want to talk about "marriage", and what it means, and to whom the institution is open, we can discuss that if you like. Many people want to define deviancy down, making the sacred profane and the abnormal acceptable. Too bad for them.

A cigar? Maybe you weren't paying attention, but the cigar was not an issue. Lying in a federal proceeding was the issue. Big difference there.

Bullying nations? Hmm. was Al Queda bullying the US? Yes, in a much more substantive manner. Bad move on their part, old sport. We create alliances with nations who share our interest in freedom and security. No long ago, a dictator decided to invite us in and witness his aboandonment of his WMD's. This is exactly what Sadaam Hussein had the opportunity to do, but didn't. When this second dictator saw what happened to Sadaam, he decided to take a new approach.

Smart man.

The bottom line is this: when you are confronted with evil, you are bound to resist it on every front. If you fail to do that, you end up with terrorists ruling the world.
 
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Timebuilder:

Ask and you shall receive:

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003

If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.
Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003

But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
May 30, 2003

Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there.
Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
May 30, 2003

And there's many more examples:

http://www.lunaville.org/WMD/billmon.aspx

http://www.activeopposition.com/WMD.htm

http://www.able2know.com/forums/about21403.html&highlight=

Run a search; you'll find more.

TysV
 
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You have an interesting list that you copied from your favorite websites, but conspicuously missing are the asertions of all the democrats who also looked at the same or substantially same intelligence reports, and who came to the same conclusions as the Republicans.

All of the assertions on both sides agree.

What you have failed to show, and what I specifically asked for, is some small smidgeon of suggestion that there was a lie being told in any of this.

Cool your jets, my friend, because there is no such evidence, since none of what Bush said was a lie.

It is completly reasonable to believe that intel in this day and age is correct. When we have the benefit of hindsight, we make appropriate corrections. In this case, it means fully funding the ground intel requirements that might have given us more accurate reports for the past ten years.
 
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It's impossible to provide evidence regarding Bush's intentions as to the statements he and his administration made regarding intelligence data. The Bush administration is NOT going to release any documents or recorded dialogue (like the Nixon tapes) that may convey a sense of lying or deception on its part. Any admission on their part of lying would be political suicide and a sure-fire win for Kerry come November.

As such, we can simply make assertations based on all the evidence that we have at hand and the actions taken by all parties.

While I am unwilling to google and format dozens of quote for this purpose, I can state that the position of the adminstration has changed. Since the invasion and occupation, there has been a slow, but steady decrease in the WMD banter from the White House and Pentagon. From 'an imminent threat' to 'we can't find any evidence', the evolution of the administration's position is frightening. US intelligence, unfortunately, has proven time and time again to be an unreliable source of information for military operations. From the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade to the lack of WMD in Iraq, the intelligence community in general has failed time and time again to provide credible, reliable information. Blame it on budget, politics or corruption, the simple fact of the matter is that the general population at large knew information coming from Iraq was iffy, at best. Yet, the Bush administration orchestrated a war and occupation based on that information.

Do I have a recommendation as to what should have taken place? No. I don't have access to all the information nor have knowledge of all the resources available to the American and foreign governments. However, I will never support the outright invasion of a sovereign country without UN approval. I'm sorry if this offends, but my philosophy is that we are part of a global community and unilateralism has no place.

I'll reiterate again that Saddam and his ways have no special place in my heart. However, if we're going to invade Iraq, why not Iran, North Korea, China, Pakistan, most of Africa and Russia. In each of these cases, and more, there can be found examples of weapon stockpiling, human rights violation, sponsoring of terrorist organizations and/or much, much more. Yet, for some reason, we choose Iraq and Afghanistan. I would think that North Korea and Cuba pose more 'imminent threats' than Iraq, yet we leave these countries be.

Something is fishing about it all, and while I don't have the answers, I fear the path our government is taking.

TysV
 
Look gang, there are 4 possibilities:
1. Iraq had WMD. If that's the case, it's either been hidden, destroyed, exported, or all of the above. We KNOW that they formerly had WMD & the ability to produce it (war against Iran, Kurdish villages); the question is where the capability went, and what was produced & available to use.
2. Hussein had been misled by his scientists into believing that Iraq had WMD. They took money to make it, instead made convincing Potemkin Village weapons labs/bunkers/etc, deceived him & as many others as they needed to, and pocketed the rest. Along the way, our intel picked up their chatter to Hussein, and his to them, all based on the deception or the belief of extant WMD. Intel being what it is, it can be misled by such things... especially when liberal democrats raped the CIA's humint programs for decades.
3. Iraq no longer had any WMD, but wished to deceive the world into believing that they did. Why? Deterrence. Almost worked, especially when bleeding hearts argued prior to the war that "we can't attack them, they'd slime us!" The Dems were willing to be deterred, and all the troops entering Iraq were in MOPP 4, which slows things down quite a bit.
4. Iraq no longer had any WMD, and wished to prove that fact to the world. Not protestations of innocence (which would accompany every scenario -- Iraq wouldn't proclaim they were violating UN resolutions, even when they want enemies to fear that they had secret WMD), but an actual desire to do whatever was necessary to convince the world that their universal belief (that Iraq had WMD -- EVERYONE in the western intel community figured they did!) was wrong.

If #4 was the case, then the war had problems. If Iraq was truly doing all it could, whatever it took, to prove their innocence, and got invaded anyway, that would be messsed up. But that clearly was not the case, as the inspectors noted how they were still being misled, deceived, denied access, etc etc etc.

Any of the other 3 cases, I would argue, all carry exactly the SAME necessity of going to war against Iraq WITH THE WMD CLAIM. Here's why I say that:

If you allow a pariah nation to defy the entire civilized world and hold them at bay with the THREAT of WMD, then you legitimize that threat as the ultimate "get out of jail free" card, and you make WMD into an ultimately desirable thing for rogue states to acquire. If your actions make the statement that "we think you have WMD, and we will NOT attack you on that account," then there is no downside to gaining them or attempting to gain them, or appearing to have them. WMD becomes legitimized as the tool to have, because few will dare to mess with you, and none will punish you (in a meaningful way) on that account.

On the other hand, US actions in Iraq were a perfectly clear signal that not only do WMD NOT protect you from American wrath, they are a severe LIABILITY in that department. Whether you have them in fact or as a deterring pretense, you're subject to great calamity on that account, and it would be far better for you to rid yourself of them, post-haste.

As Libya did, as soon as they saw how deadly serious the USA is about WMD in the hands of rogue states.

To make WMD a liability rather than an asset, the US had to go after Iraq for appearing to possess them.

Side note:
When you understand the process of gathering intelligence, the sources & methods (as much as gets into the public domain, which is quite a bit, though not everything), and the limitations on each of them, you can see how no intelligence product can ever be perfect. When a nation is doing its very best to keep some of its cards very very close to the vest, investing great resources to protect the truth & deceive all attempts to see in, it's at best a terribly complicated task to piece together fragmentary evidence into a cohesive picture. Nevertheless, EVERY intelligence service in the western world reached the SAME conclusion: that Iraq had WMD!

Was this influenced by "worst-case analysis" and the post-9/11 shame of having missed a potential threat and the preconceived ideas about Iraq based on their past history? Probably so. But by the time one has PERFECT information, it's too late. The US acted on the basis of strong intelligence, and did the right thing, even if scenario #2 or #3 was more the case than #1. No deception on the part of President Bush or his team, and no regrets even if the WMD turns out not to have been there. See this article if you doubt that:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004883
(this being letters to the editor, from an ARRAY of experts on the question of WMD in Iraq)

A couple of other things:
From 'an imminent threat' to 'we can't find any evidence', the evolution of the administration's position is frightening.
What's frightening is that you quote the liberal lie yet again. In the State of the Union address, President Bush said very clearly that while Iraq was (at the time) a very dangerous nation, it was not yet an IMMINENT threat, but that to wait until we have certain proof that it IS imminent, would be to wait too long. You have to act against real threats BEFORE they are sufficiently imminent to impose mass casualties on the USA! The New York Times ran an article "discovering" that the threat was not, in fact, imminent, and using it as proof that BUSH LIED when, in fact, that was never his claim. But they had to put words in his mouth that he never spoke first. Bush didn't lie nor claim that Iraq was an imminent threat to the U.S.

US intelligence, unfortunately, has proven time and time again to be an unreliable source of information for military operations.

Only if you want to point to the notable failures and ignore the vast legacy of accurate information. All the hundreds of cruise missiles and GPS-guided bombs used in Iraq needed intel support to get the target coordinates. Were they all perfect? Doubtful, but they were plenty good enough to accomplish devastating results against the Iraqi military with colateral damage that was by historical standards, nonexistant.

Capturing Hussein, most of the rest of the "deck of cards," Kalid Sheik Mohammad, etc -- that's all intel driven. Stopping attacks against the US before you ever hear about them... intel driven.

Having seen the intel process much closer than most, I can tell you that while it isn't perfect, it's extremely good, and gives US policymakers & warfighters an awareness of what's going on out there lightyears ahead of what they'd have without it. Perfect, no. Excellent, absolutely.

Anyway, it was NOT the U.S. intel community out by itself claiming that Iraq had WMD. Everyone figured that they did. The difference with France & Germany was in the "so what do we do about it" step.

the general population at large knew information coming from Iraq was iffy, at best.
Outright false. The general population may have been divided over the "... but does it merit war" question, but few serious mainstream public figures doubted that Iraq had WMD. Kerry didn't. Clinton didn't. France didn't.

However, I will never support the outright invasion of a sovereign country without UN approval. I'm sorry if this offends, but my philosophy is that we are part of a global community and unilateralism has no place.
So if the UN had existed in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland, Russia would have vetoed any resolution of condemnation against them in the UN, so you wouldn't support the Allies launching D-Day (but for Russia withdrawing her veto when she herself got invaded), right? Or if the USSR had opposed the coalition to free Kuwait in 1991, that would have been out for you too, right?

"Unilateralism has no place" means that soverignty has no meaning unless the U.N. concurs. That's a dangerous, dangerous thing!
 
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