Even more ASA flying to go to Skywest

[joe_pilot]

You said no to the very form of representation which is directly responsible for every single benefit of your chosen profession. Weakening that organization will only come back to haunt us all, wether we stay at the regional level or choose to move up to the majors.

See, even though I voted "yes", I disagree with this. Even though unions have been a driving force behind a lot of improvements, they are not the only reason these things come to pass. Case in point: if new hire pay is too low, then no new hires, so pay is raised. It is good business to make certain changes that benefit pilots. Now I'm not saying management is "going to take care of us", but I do refute that a union is "...directly responsible for every single benefit of your chosen profession."

That is just a bit of spin, don't you think?

Again, I voted "yes"

I wonder just how many of you NO-VOTERS will say no, when it comes time to join the union at your major airline job?

Or better yet, at the job interview, will you man-up and make it clear to the pilots doing the interviewing that you voted no for a union at Skywest?

Or will you suddenly become a card carrying AFL-CIO left wing supporter of the labor movement and tell the interviewer how you were one of those who voted yes and you are leaving Skywest because ALPA didn't get on the property!!!

Yup, I'm sure this will happen to some people. Not everyone can backup what they believe(d) in even if they were right at the time. When asked I will say I voted "yes", but will defend vigorously my fellow pilots right to vote "no".

To back it up, I'm going to admit to some of my mistakes:

Voted for Perot in 92
Voted for Bush in 00
Voted for Bush in 04

In discussions about how Iraq has been handled, even though I am not happy about it, I admit my vote. Knowing what I know now, I would have changed my vote, but with the information I had at the time alone, I would vote the same way.

Fly Safe.

-JP

 

[joe_pilot]

Very true-

I will also be the first to admit, I have said some pretty bad things about people on here, but it was Hojets, so I dont count that. But, it was such obvious FLAME that I needed to say something before I needed to start my court appointed anger mgmt classes again. For what it is worth sir, I do not hold anything against SKYW pilots.

Let's hope you don't get Jack Nicholson, right? "I feel pretty, so pretty..."

I wasn't talking about you at all BC, though maybe I should go review all your posts now. Just making the point that we can have differences of opinion, have arguments, have heated arguments, but we all (myself included) should remember to act like professionals.

So does that mean I can't comment on the FA's @ss after the door closes? I think we need a ruling.

Somebody from professional standards? Anyone?

 

[Speedtape]

See, even though I voted "yes", I disagree with this. Even though unions have been a driving force behind a lot of improvements, they are not the only reason these things come to pass. Case in point: if new hire pay is too low, then no new hires, so pay is raised. It is good business to make certain changes that benefit pilots. Now I'm not saying management is "going to take care of us", but I do refute that a union is "...directly responsible for every single benefit of your chosen profession."

That is just a bit of spin, don't you think?

Again, I voted "yes"



Let me make you feel better! Unions are directly responsible for MOST of the benefits that even Non-Union workers enjoy! By the way, on behalf of 62,000+ ALPA pilots and 10,000+ APA pilots, YOUR WELCOME! Again, I voted "YES too!"

 

[Speedtape]

Just had a senior Skywest manager on my jumpseat going into St. George this morning. We started talking about the timetable for EMB retirements. I was concerned that there may not be enough new RJ flying to replace the EMBs and he assured me that the new growth would be "more than adequate" to compensate. I pressed him for more information and he told me that with the 22 new RJs and the 4 ASA 700s that will be transfered to SKYW each year, that there will be more than enough opportunity for a quick upgrade on the jet. I guess it was a good thing for all of us that the union was voted down.

ATL is the Fortress! When your hub starts growing here, I'll take stock in your words. From what I hear from your ATL based pilots, they are expecting to be reallocated to LAX. SLC will eventually become a DFW and CVG. LAX will grow and SLC will diminish. I wouldn't buy any real estate that can't easily sell.

 

[buscap]

My post is directed towards anyone at Skywest who voted no. Those who voted yes have my respect and sympathy for for being in the situation they're in. It is a shame your entire pilot group looks the way it does.

And I stand behind my belief that the unions are responsible for every benefit we all have. The increase of a base pay caused by market forces is still the result of union actions, since that base pay was established by union actions.

An increase of $4 an hour on top of a base pay of $10 would not be such a big deal.

While it is a shame to be bragging about a wage which is still below the poverty line, I hate to think what the starting wage would be in a nonunion version of an industry which has supported such concepts as pay-for-training.

 

[Flybywire44]

You guys are just jealous that skyw is enjoying success and that ASA is on its way out. I wonder if ALPA is going to pay your mortgage when you union thumpers drive your company into bankruptcy. And yes, the smiley face was necessary!!

Do you really consider yourself a professional?

 

[Caspian27]

Just had a senior Skywest manager on my jumpseat going into St. George this morning. We started talking about the timetable for EMB retirements. I was concerned that there may not be enough new RJ flying to replace the EMBs and he assured me that the new growth would be "more than adequate" to compensate. I pressed him for more information and he told me that with the 22 new RJs and the 4 ASA 700s that will be transfered to SKYW each year, that there will be more than enough opportunity for a quick upgrade on the jet. I guess it was a good thing for all of us that the union was voted down.

OARfan,

I don't know what your motivated you to post this...and the subsequent posts in this thread. However, I must say that your attitude troubles me. I for one DO NOT want to gain any flying at the expense of ASA, take away any current ASA flying, or any combination thereof. It is in our best interests for ASA to succeed, albeit as a completely separate entity. It is for things like this that people like to jump all over themselves about on this board.

ASA guys: Not all SkyWest pilots want ASA to fail...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Do you really consider yourself a professional?

Professional "clown"...maybe?