Even more ASA flying to go to Skywest

[COOPERVANE]

I remember several days ago a skywest poster CHALLENGED anyone to find any posts that showed a skywest pilot GLEEFULL about taking ASA flying.

Thanks for proving what your group is made of without any work from us.

 

[Jmoney]

Skynation...

This is just Skynation under a new user name. This clown didn't have anyone on his jumpseat. When you make up BS flamebait-at least try and make it good BS!

Everyone knows that people who really have access to such information cannot legally share it with any member of the public. It is called "insider trading" just ask Martha Stewart about it-idiot!

-You are a complete MORON, Sky!

 

[BCpilot81]

You guys are just jealous that skyw is enjoying success and that ASA is on its way out. I wonder if ALPA is going to pay your mortgage when you union thumpers drive your company into bankruptcy. And yes, the smiley face was necessary!!

I guess it is a good thing that being an airline pilot, does not mean you need: tact, decency, professionalism, and above all, common sense. Or you would also be un-employed.

 

[skywav8r]

oarfan,
If you left the rj and came to delta and flew the 88 in lga you'd be off reserve in just a few months. Delta has a contract too. Skywest has a policy manual thats printed on brown paper. Is there a reason why management chose brown?? Yup, you guessed it, the policy manual was printed on a $hitty roll of toilet paper. You probably don't remember the days at skywest when we had paper. Wow, delta even has long call reserve. First year delta pay is better than brasilia captain pay even after their raise. Oh wait, thats right, brasilia guys weren't worth a raise even though they fly 8 legs with only 18 minute breaks all day. Skywest pilots definitely are not scabs but you don't need to brag about the growth at someone elses expense. Life may be good puddling around in an rj the rest of your life. I know I had a good life. But after one day at a major you'd realize the contract and work rules are better than skywest and life is much better. Pay is not even comparable. Only one year flying around at bro captain rates....oh what a bummer. Hope I can tough it out! About the only thing better at skywest is the travel privileges on multiple carriers. But wait, don't you have to pay to ride on your own airplanes now?? Kudos to skywest management for doing such a great job. Their stock has done well. Too bad the pilot group has lowered the bar for the whole industry. As far as furloughs go, I can't predict the future. A little research though can help you choose the right major. Good luck with the psyche eval!


Time to flame, man flight info can be fun.

 

[OARfan]

Time to flame, man flight info can be fun.[/quote]

Yes, yes it can.

 

[joe_pilot]

Thanks for proving what your group is made of without any work from us.

Now you know better than that coop, come on. This guy does not represent us, you're smarter than that. He is a waste of space, yes, but the overwhelming majority of us do not share his opinion or his ignorance, even the ones who voted "no". How do you even know he works for OO? This is just flamebait, plain and simple.

-JP

 

[joe_pilot]

I guess it is a good thing that being an airline pilot, does not mean you need: tact, decency, professionalism, and above all, common sense. Or you would also be un-employed.

Actually, one of the first requirements listed to hold an ATP certificate is "Must be of good moral character". A lot of people who post on FI (on both sides of almost ANY argument) disqualify themselves by virtue of their behavior, even if this is "just an internet message board".

People talk about professionalism alot, they just don't always consider what it means.

-JP

 

[buscap]

Now you know better than that coop, come on. This guy does not represent us, you're smarter than that. He is a waste of space, yes, but the overwhelming majority of us do not share his opinion or his ignorance, even the ones who voted "no". How do you even know he works for OO? This is just flamebait, plain and simple.

-JP

Flaimbait this may very well be my Skywest friends, but as for those of you who voted no, wether it be an actual vote or failing to pick up the phone, I would say you have all shown yourselves to be extremely shortsighted.

You said no to the very form of representation which is directly responsible for every single benefit of your chosen profession. Weakening that organization will only come back to haunt us all, wether we stay at the regional level or choose to move up to the majors.

I wonder just how many of you NO-VOTERS will say no, when it comes time to join the union at your major airline job?

Or better yet, at the job interview, will you man-up and make it clear to the pilots doing the interviewing that you voted no for a union at Skywest?

Or will you suddenly become a card carrying AFL-CIO left wing supporter of the labor movement and tell the interviewer how you were one of those who voted yes and you are leaving Skywest because ALPA didn't get on the property!!!

Somehow I think we all know the answers to these questions. I'll let you come up with your own self describing terms for your actions, as mine are not fit for print.

 

[JettBoii]

Sounds like he needs the soda can in the pillow case treatment.

 

[BCpilot81]

Actually, one of the first requirements listed to hold an ATP certificate is "Must be of good moral character". A lot of people who post on FI (on both sides of almost ANY argument) disqualify themselves by virtue of their behavior, even if this is "just an internet message board".

People talk about professionalism alot, they just don't always consider what it means.

-JP

Very true-

I will also be the first to admit, I have said some pretty bad things about people on here, but it was Hojets, so I dont count that. But, it was such obvious FLAME that I needed to say something before I needed to start my court appointed anger mgmt classes again. For what it is worth sir, I do not hold anything against SKYW pilots.

 

[joe_pilot]

You said no to the very form of representation which is directly responsible for every single benefit of your chosen profession. Weakening that organization will only come back to haunt us all, wether we stay at the regional level or choose to move up to the majors.

See, even though I voted "yes", I disagree with this. Even though unions have been a driving force behind a lot of improvements, they are not the only reason these things come to pass. Case in point: if new hire pay is too low, then no new hires, so pay is raised. It is good business to make certain changes that benefit pilots. Now I'm not saying management is "going to take care of us", but I do refute that a union is "...directly responsible for every single benefit of your chosen profession."

That is just a bit of spin, don't you think?

Again, I voted "yes"

I wonder just how many of you NO-VOTERS will say no, when it comes time to join the union at your major airline job?

Or better yet, at the job interview, will you man-up and make it clear to the pilots doing the interviewing that you voted no for a union at Skywest?

Or will you suddenly become a card carrying AFL-CIO left wing supporter of the labor movement and tell the interviewer how you were one of those who voted yes and you are leaving Skywest because ALPA didn't get on the property!!!

Yup, I'm sure this will happen to some people. Not everyone can backup what they believe(d) in even if they were right at the time. When asked I will say I voted "yes", but will defend vigorously my fellow pilots right to vote "no".

To back it up, I'm going to admit to some of my mistakes:

Voted for Perot in 92
Voted for Bush in 00
Voted for Bush in 04

In discussions about how Iraq has been handled, even though I am not happy about it, I admit my vote. Knowing what I know now, I would have changed my vote, but with the information I had at the time alone, I would vote the same way.

Fly Safe.

-JP

 

[joe_pilot]

Very true-

I will also be the first to admit, I have said some pretty bad things about people on here, but it was Hojets, so I dont count that. But, it was such obvious FLAME that I needed to say something before I needed to start my court appointed anger mgmt classes again. For what it is worth sir, I do not hold anything against SKYW pilots.

Let's hope you don't get Jack Nicholson, right? "I feel pretty, so pretty..."

I wasn't talking about you at all BC, though maybe I should go review all your posts now. Just making the point that we can have differences of opinion, have arguments, have heated arguments, but we all (myself included) should remember to act like professionals.

So does that mean I can't comment on the FA's @ss after the door closes? I think we need a ruling.

Somebody from professional standards? Anyone?

 

[Speedtape]

See, even though I voted "yes", I disagree with this. Even though unions have been a driving force behind a lot of improvements, they are not the only reason these things come to pass. Case in point: if new hire pay is too low, then no new hires, so pay is raised. It is good business to make certain changes that benefit pilots. Now I'm not saying management is "going to take care of us", but I do refute that a union is "...directly responsible for every single benefit of your chosen profession."

That is just a bit of spin, don't you think?

Again, I voted "yes"



Let me make you feel better! Unions are directly responsible for MOST of the benefits that even Non-Union workers enjoy! By the way, on behalf of 62,000+ ALPA pilots and 10,000+ APA pilots, YOUR WELCOME! Again, I voted "YES too!"

 

[Speedtape]

Just had a senior Skywest manager on my jumpseat going into St. George this morning. We started talking about the timetable for EMB retirements. I was concerned that there may not be enough new RJ flying to replace the EMBs and he assured me that the new growth would be "more than adequate" to compensate. I pressed him for more information and he told me that with the 22 new RJs and the 4 ASA 700s that will be transfered to SKYW each year, that there will be more than enough opportunity for a quick upgrade on the jet. I guess it was a good thing for all of us that the union was voted down.

ATL is the Fortress! When your hub starts growing here, I'll take stock in your words. From what I hear from your ATL based pilots, they are expecting to be reallocated to LAX. SLC will eventually become a DFW and CVG. LAX will grow and SLC will diminish. I wouldn't buy any real estate that can't easily sell.

 

[buscap]

My post is directed towards anyone at Skywest who voted no. Those who voted yes have my respect and sympathy for for being in the situation they're in. It is a shame your entire pilot group looks the way it does.

And I stand behind my belief that the unions are responsible for every benefit we all have. The increase of a base pay caused by market forces is still the result of union actions, since that base pay was established by union actions.

An increase of $4 an hour on top of a base pay of $10 would not be such a big deal.

While it is a shame to be bragging about a wage which is still below the poverty line, I hate to think what the starting wage would be in a nonunion version of an industry which has supported such concepts as pay-for-training.

 

[Flybywire44]

You guys are just jealous that skyw is enjoying success and that ASA is on its way out. I wonder if ALPA is going to pay your mortgage when you union thumpers drive your company into bankruptcy. And yes, the smiley face was necessary!!

Do you really consider yourself a professional?

 

[Caspian27]

Just had a senior Skywest manager on my jumpseat going into St. George this morning. We started talking about the timetable for EMB retirements. I was concerned that there may not be enough new RJ flying to replace the EMBs and he assured me that the new growth would be "more than adequate" to compensate. I pressed him for more information and he told me that with the 22 new RJs and the 4 ASA 700s that will be transfered to SKYW each year, that there will be more than enough opportunity for a quick upgrade on the jet. I guess it was a good thing for all of us that the union was voted down.

OARfan,

I don't know what your motivated you to post this...and the subsequent posts in this thread. However, I must say that your attitude troubles me. I for one DO NOT want to gain any flying at the expense of ASA, take away any current ASA flying, or any combination thereof. It is in our best interests for ASA to succeed, albeit as a completely separate entity. It is for things like this that people like to jump all over themselves about on this board.

ASA guys: Not all SkyWest pilots want ASA to fail...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Do you really consider yourself a professional?

Professional "clown"...maybe?