Eurpoean Airlines

[PA31Ho]

Does anybody know of a website where there is a list of European Airlines, with minimum hiring qual's, etc? Kind of like airlinepilotcentral.com but for other countries.

Thanks

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Does anybody know of a website where there is a list of European Airlines, with minimum hiring qual's, etc? Kind of like airlinepilotcentral.com but for other countries.

Thanks

Not sure, but they probably require you to spell European correctly.

 

[PA31Ho]

oh well excuse me... I had a typo...

 

[FreightGod]

PPRuNe has plenty of info.

www.pprune.com

 

[SNOWBUM]

you do need the JAAR and rigth to work there. on top of that if you are from the country the sirlne is from is an uphill battle.

 

[Apache06]

European carriers

Does anybody know of a website where there is a list of European Airlines, with minimum hiring qual's, etc? Kind of like airlinepilotcentral.com but for other countries.

Thanks

Try PilotCareerCenter.com

 

[El Pobre]

I looked at doing it a while ago. Your FAA licenses are worthless and you have to get JAAR stuff. It was going to require alot of basic flight training (that you've already probably done) and was going to be VERY expensive. Also, there were some issues with being an American. If you have some claim to EU citizenship, you would have a good chance of being hired...If you didn't or weren't married to a European it will be a very uphill battle.

However, if you are European and you want to work at a US airline...no problem....come on over.

 

[AV80R]

I looked at doing it a while ago. Your FAA licenses are worthless and you have to get JAAR stuff. It was going to require alot of basic flight training (that you've already probably done) and was going to be VERY expensive. Also, there were some issues with being an American. If you have some claim to EU citizenship, you would have a good chance of being hired...If you didn't or weren't married to a European it will be a very uphill battle.

However, if you are European and you want to work at a US airline...no problem....come on over.

Interesting, I have a friend who flies for a small pax/cargo charter outfit out of Holland and Belgium. He’s been there for almost three years, and he said it was very easy to apply and the first year he used his FAA license. After 12 month he took a revalidation test of some kind which he said was not that difficult. Now, he had an ATP which made it easier; with a commercial license only he’d have to take several tests. Additionally I know of at least 2 US citizens (born and raised in the US) who became permanent residents of SWE or Denmark, not sure, and are flying for SAS. I think the reason there are so few US pilots you see in Europe is that most of the airlines over there, not all, require you to be fluent in their native tongue, for example Lufthansa – German, Iberia – Spanish, etc. Additionally, airline market in Europe is much smaller than in the US. It’s growing but it’s still much smaller which means fewer jobs available. That’s just my take on it…

 

[AA717driver]

If you're married to a EU citizen and have or are willing to pay for a 737 rating, you can get hired at Ryanair. (I'm sure there's more to it but I'm too lazy to look up the post on another site. I just know I'm not elgiable.) TC

 

[flyburg]

However, if you are European and you want to work at a US airline...no problem....come on over.

Not true. If you are a european you also have to have the right to work in the US. Only two ways to accomplice that, get married or win the lottery. The first option is open to US citizens also that want to gain the right to work in the EUR. Indeed the second option, the lottery does not exist in EUR countries.

The JAA licences are indeed a big deal, however don't discount the problems you would have as a EUR citizen getting through all the required checks you would have to pass to get hired at a major airline in the US ( FAA training records, 4 yr college degree, yes even driving records).

If you are a EUR citizen and got your flight training in a EUR country and after getting the licenses you would desire to work for a US airline. This would be near impossible. You would have to legally immigrate, but on what basis?

Really, the only foreigners that work for US airlines are guys that went to the US on a student visa to get flight training, then got married (or won the lottery) got well established in the US system and then got hired.

This option would be open to US guys as well however nobody from the US goes to EUR to get flight training because is much more expensive.

European airlines have in time of great demand hired foreigners though ( inluding US guys). At the two airlines I worked for, both had US pilots. Guys that did not have the right to work initially but because the company could prove they needed them could get sponsored right to work visa. Even recently Ryan Air advertised in the US, looking for 737 qualified guys. This does not go in the US, at least in the aviation field

Having flown in both continents I have experienced both ways. To be a US guy wanting to work in EUR or vv there are difficulties to overcome.

Please, before you respond and state how much foreigners work at you airline, think about it. They were guys that got their training in the US and then legally gained the right to work in the US (either through marriage or the lottery and once again this option with the exception of the lottery is open to US guys as well) To think that a pilot in EUR, India, China, the middle east or etc,etc could just sit at home and write a resume to Delta or ....etc would ever have a chance to get hired is ridiculous.

El Pobre, to drive the point home, I got my flight training in the US and I got the GC via the lottery, However I let it expire when I went back to the old continent to fly for a major there. Let's say I'm disappointed with my carreer expectations and I would love to get hired by, say for example Delta, could you please pm me how I could do this because they never respond to my resumes as I don't have the legal right to work in the US!!!!

 

[FreightGod]

I just know I'm not elgiable.) TC

Yeah Tim, they do require spelling currency over there.

 

[AV80R]

If you're married to a EU citizen and have or are willing to pay for a 737 rating, you can get hired at Ryanair. (I'm sure there's more to it but I'm too lazy to look up the post on another site. I just know I'm not elgiable.) TC

Sooo, you mean it’s sort of like a EU citizen wanting to work for SWA, huh? Gotta get that green card first (lottery, marry someone, or better yet, jump the fence and wait for amnesty) and then just get the type rating…

 

[flyburg]

FG, check PM

 

[flyburg]

FG, check PM again TR is an awsome guy, very high up in the hierarchy

 

[sqwkvfr]

I guess this post will make only two helpful replies on this thread.

Link.

 

[PA31Ho]

Appreciate the replies fellas

 

[Stby One]

Try www.ppjn.com

 

[Stby One]

And by the way I know several americans working for european airlines. It's in no way easier to get a job in the states as a european.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

However, if you are European and you want to work at a US airline...no problem....come on over.

Oh little do you know Mr. Narrowminded. Please enlighten me....

Here is a white, western European, christian educated guy (not that it matters but hey..) who payed over 20.000 USD in legal and INS fees to immigrate the legal way. Good thing it "only" took me 6 years.

There are plenty of European airlines who will hire Americans, give them workpermits and validate their FAA licenses.

- Ask all americans flying for Ryanair or;
- ask some mesaba guys working for Cityjet in Paris..) or;
- Fly to MSP and ask some NWA mainline guys who got a job flying for KLM when they got furloughed early 90's

NO us airline will ever sponsor a non citizen / greencard holder for a green card and/or work permit.

I do not regret my choices, nobody forced me to come over here, and I live happily with my fiance (yes that eurotrash accent works pretty d*mn good).

The only thing I regret is that I came over the legal way. I should have jumped over the border Illegally (would that make me the first illegal immigrant from the EU ?) and wait for amnesty. Just kidding, but you get my drift.

So you either educate yourself, or zip it.
FD

 

[flyburg]

C C,

Whazzup buddy, we gonna speak soon, congratulations btw

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Sounds good Eurotrash... Dont wake me up at 5 AM again though !!! I will be in AMS this December for a few days to drink a few cold ones with ya.

 

[El Pobre]

First of all, my info may be dated, when I last looked into this it was about 7 years ago. Things certainly may have changed.

There may be an agreement now that your FAA licenses would be

 

[Flyingdutchman]

.... an FAA license?
.... 2 bucks worth ?
.... printed in Oklahoma?
.... The biggest mistake ever ?
.... not good enough to get ya laid?
.... good enough to use overseas?

 

[Flyingdutchman]

double post.

 

[El Pobre]

Sorry about that,

I was saying that things may have changed and your FAA licenses may be accepted there, or you may have to take written tests to get them transferred. At the time I was looking that wasn't the case and you were basically required to go through all commercial and ATP type training all over again. The only thing that was accepted was your private pilot license.

Things change, if you could get a flying gig over there it would be great fun. I sure had fun living there and would do so again if given the opportunity.

I also know some Americans flying in Europe, however, they were flying for crew leasing companies, not for the airlines themselves.

I will still stick by my assertation that it is easier for a European Pilot to come fly in the US than it is for a US pilot to go fly in Europe (unless of course you are married to a local national).

 

[AV80R]

First of all, my info may be dated, when I last looked into this it was about 7 years ago. Things certainly may have changed...There may be an agreement now that your FAA licenses would be.

No, things haven’t changed. Many rules and procedures have changed within EU itself in order to “harmonize” the different EU member states’ rules. However, you’ve always been able to use your FAA license for the first 12 months no matter what, at least for the last 15 years which is the first time I checked into it.

It is also true that occasionally a European airline will sponsor a work permit which can eventually be exchanged for an EU permanent residency ~green card. I've never heard of a US airline doing the same, have you? In the US you must have a permanent residency before you apply for an airline job, not the other way around.

I'm not saying one way is better than the other, just that the rules on both sides of the pond are very similar.

Of course, EU doesn’t offer a routine amnesty to illegal aliens the way US tends to do every 10 years or so.uke:

I will still stick by my assertation that it is easier for a European Pilot to come fly in the US than it is for a US pilot to go fly in Europe (unless of course you are married to a local national).

...and I will stick to my assertion that there’s no significant difference except the language requirement which eliminates 95% of applicants from the US. Lufthansa wants you to be fluent in German no matter what; Alitalia wants you to speak Italian, etc. So I guess you’re correct that it is easier for a European pilot to fly for a European airline but ONLY if he/she speaks the local language.

Training is a different matter; they’re very heavy on “ground school” portion over there whether in the US more attention is paid to the actual flying. I guess ideally a combination of the two would be ideal but personally I tend to favor the US way of learning…

However, once you reach the ATP level, as far as getting an airline job, I’d say percentage wise you’ll find way more American pilots flying overseas (including EU) than you’ll find foreigners flying in the US. There are just so many more pilots (and pilot jobs) in the US versus other parts of the world.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

And the US shouldnt offer amnesty. What signal gives that to the rest of Mexico, plus all those willing to jump thru the legal hoops ?

El pobre -

No offence taken buddy. Just messing a little bit with ya.

I will still stick by my assertation that it is easier for a European Pilot to come fly in the US than it is for a US pilot to go fly in Europe (unless of course you are married to a local national).

Please explain. As a EU citizen and legal, tax paying god fearing alien in the US I would love to here more about this..... Would love to find out how I could have saved myself 20K. (other then getting married sooner)

 

[AV80R]

And the US shouldnt offer amnesty. What signal gives that to the rest of Mexico, plus all those willing to jump thru the legal hoops ?

Couldn't agree with you more and I'm in the shoes as you're by the way. Almost wish I had flown into Mexico and jumped the fence; no telling how much money (a.k.a. credit card debt) and time I'd have saved! :angryfire

Would love to find out how I could have saved myself 20K.

Yeah, I'd like to find that out as well? Please enlighten us. Except I'd have saved way more than 20K.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Guess we will never find out...

 

[AA717driver]

Well, the language barrier should be no problem for me getting a job with KLM. I speak english almost as well as most Dutch I've met...

Can we not tone down the jingoistic rhetoric a little? You can't bitch about open skies on one thread and how difficult it is to get hired in the EU on another.

What we need is more open communication and less trashing. (AND, more KLM FA's laying over at the same hotels we do! ) TC