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European Pilots Who Earned Licenses And Ratings in The U.S. Would Be Required To Obtain European Licences

In a move termed "disastrous" by IAOPA, the EASA has proposed rules which will make it impossible for European citizens to fly in Europe on American licences, render worthless the FAA Instrument Rating and, IAOPA says, blow the bottom out of the market in N-registered aircraft. If they are adopted, the plans will force thousands of pilots to undertake new training courses costing millions of euros and further damage the already-depressed used aircraft market with no real benefit to safety.
After years of discussion, the details were revealed just two weeks before the EC was due to make a final decision on EASA's proposals. IAOPA is asking the Commission to set the issue aside to allow time for its impact to be properly assessed.
The advocacy organization says the plans fly in the face of every assurance given by EASA's principals that while they wanted European pilots to fly on European registers, they would properly address the reasons why they did not. EASA's Executive Director Patrick Goudou promised in 2005: "We will ensure there are no special advantages to being on the N-register." He has not kept his side of the bargain. Few of the compelling reasons why European pilots are driven into the arms of the FAA have been addressed, and those that have been looked at have been skimmed over in a desultory and unsatisfactory way.
EASA's claimed motivation for changes to the N-register is safety, but IAOPA says there has never been any evidence, or even any credible claim, that the N-register is unsafe. With this move, IAOPA says, EASA has gone far beyond its safety remit and stepped completely into the realms of political protectionism.
IAOPA-Europe met in Amsterdam over the weekend to plan a response. Delegates from 17 European countries debated emergency tactics, and Craig Spence, Vice President of Regulatory Affairs for AOPA US, flew in from Washington. He left with a full understanding of the gravity and urgency of the matter.
AOPA UK's Pam Campbell outlined the issue which, she said, had come as "something of a bombshell". Pilots living in Europe would be required to have an EASA licence and, if applicable, an EASA Instrument Rating, to fly an airplane in Europe regardless of the country of register. A stop-gap validation on a non-European licence would be available from national aviation authorities, valid for one year. The pilot would have to apply to the authority of the nation in which he or she resided. There would be a test for the validation, and no repeat validation would be possible, although an extension would be granted for a maximum of one year if the pilot could prove that training to convert the licence or rating has been commenced.
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The minimum requirements to convert a third country PPL would be to pass an examination in Air Law and Human Performance, a PPL Skills Test and a Class 2 medical. It would also be necessary to demonstrate English language proficiency, and to have a minimum of 100 hours. That would convert the licence to a PPL with an SEP rating. Higher qualifications would be granted subject to additional training at the discretion of the service provider. The holder of an FAA Instrument Rating would have to study for and sit seven theoretical knowledge exams, which are currently the greatest barrier to the IR for private pilots. EASA is tinkering with theoretical knowledge requirements but there will be few game-changing amendments. It is unclear whether there would be any credit for American training or hours flown.
Emmanuel Davidson of AOPA France said there were more than 10,000 European pilots holding FAA licences flying in Europe. "We have to bear in mind that if your American licence is made illegal and you have an N-registered plane, when you fly it on a European licence you will have to apply both European and FAA regulations, which would mean you can only fly in the country that has issued your licence. It will be illegal to fly, say, from France to Germany or England to Belgium. Those aircraft which have been modified to FAA STCs may not be able to go on the European register and will have to be sold, but to whom? A glut of aircraft will come onto the market, and the only place you'd be able to sell them would be America. There will be massive compensation claims against EASA and the EC."
IAOPA Senior Vice President Martin Robinson said this had been sprung on the industry at the very last minute, and that all assurances given by EASA and EC figures that the situation was not as dire as it seemed had proved valueless. "We are facing a firing squad which has its rifles cocked," he said. "EASA has consulted on Part FCL, and in response to IAOPA's specific comments on third country licences it responded with one word - 'Noted.' That is all. EASA sends its work as an opinion to the European Commission, which has a time frame in which to accept or reject, and the hearing for that is on the 13th and 14th October."
IAOPA has already met with MEPs and European Commission figures and more meetings are scheduled with the aim of getting the Commission to allow more time to discuss the issue. "Our first objective is to get the EC wound up to 'park' the issue so the ramifications can be looked at," Robinson said. "In the short time we have available, there is no other option. Then we have to work on how we modify the text to get a proper resolution.
"There is no guarantee that the EC will listen. They could say we've had our chance, but we can demonstrate that our comments simply haven't been listened to. The regulatory impact of this will be enormous, and I believe they are poorly understood, even at EASA. I cannot believe they have done a proper Regulatory Impact Assessment on FCL. If they even begin to work out how many people would be driven out of aviation by this, EASA and the EC would recoil from it."
There is little individual AOPA members can do at this late stage to influence events. Martin Robinson said: "If you feel strongly about this you can write to Mike Smethers, Chairman of the EASA Board of Management, at the CAA in Kingsway, with a copy to your local MEP. But time is so short that we can only take emergency measures at this stage."
FMI: www.iaopa.eu
 
There's also a lot of talk about it on pprune. Quite stupid or better protectionist. I wonder if it is going to affect a lot of VP- registered planes as well.

I know some flight departments send their pilots to school to obtain their JAR licenses. That might be a good or cheap way to get your JAR license.
 
Like their shizza is so much better than our shizza... Who first flew powered aircraft again? Thats right, NOT FRANCE.
 
I'm sick of the frickin' frogs driving the ICAO bus. Just one of the many reasons I HATE Europe trips in general and France in particular.
 
I'm sick of the frickin' frogs driving the ICAO bus. Just one of the many reasons I HATE Europe trips in general and France in particular.


If it weren't for our American pilots in 1943, they'd all be working for Lufthansa.
 
calm down girls

Darth Vader Wannabe, Du kannst Dir auch einen wiXen! or que quieres p^ñetero? Try to figure that accent out :D

Go back and await your orders from your Führer Beck. Your narrow-minded attitude and education is digusting: Generalize everybody, y'all follow the same hypocrites and their arguments that manipulated people's minds 80 years ago. You'd fit in quite nicely:

"Augen rechts! Und ab! Führer Beck wartet!"
 
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Wait a minute, how did Herr Beck get into this, and how would calling someone a Nazi " calm down the girls? " _______________________________________________________________ You lose this round Dorknier, as the first one to bring up Nazis or like Hitler loses every argument. It's one of the few rules of the internets. _______________________________________________________________ I don't care about this issue as much as the inequities involved with how different it is for me to try to get a job flying for one of the Euro national airlines vs. some Eurotrash male member coming here and " takin' our jobs " (South Park). That crap affects me more directly. ___________________________________________________________________ This seems equally unfair and does reek of protectionism. I see Eurabia as a whole in its last dying gasps as a significant economic and political entity. Gonna get ugly and it has been sad and pitiful for a while. __________________________________________________________________________________Why the hell does quotes turn into gibberish? _________________________________________________________________________________________________Why the hell can I not space my text an instead it is assumed I want a gigantic cluster of a paragraph instead? Is this some form of forced equality so the eloquent among us pilots are forced to appear as grammatically ignint as most pile its?
 
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Keep drinkin' that euro-centric, America is the villain, multi-cultural kool-aid Doorknob.
 
If the frogs want safety, then they should speak English on the radio first, then sort out the rest later..
 
+1 Falcon.

To quote the comic genius that is Monty Python, when it comes to the French: "I fart in your general direction..."
 
I fart in your general direction..."

Unfortunately though, that was the French making fun of an "oppressive" king who was elevated to such stature by "a watery tart lying in a bog throwing swords!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

No, we must access the wisdom of Homer J. Simpson, who truly downed the French, when he referred to them as "cheese eating surrender monkeys!"
 
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Donner Junge, und bereiten Sie sich auf Arabisch zu lesen

Lernen Sie erst einmal richtig deutsch zu sprechen. Machen Sie sich selbst ein Bild wie Europa ist, bevor Sie Ihre Fernsehpropaganda nachplappern. Mitschreier hatten wir schon genug.

(And please leave Google Translate alone, it can't translate)

If you feel real tough, use your time on your layover in France and visit the mass graves that you see en masse . Then tell those fallen soldiers what a bunch of cowards they are. I'll organize the media event.

You are just a prime example of a brainless follower that needs his hate figure and a prime example of our failing educational system. Go read or watch your single-sided hate propaganda and please[/] don't think, it might scare you.

George Orwell couldn't have written it better: Ignorance is Strength.

Oh wait, your Mormon Führer Beck called. Time to march!

If the frogs want safety, then they should speak English on the radio first, then sort out the rest later..

Yeah, like Germany, Italy, Spain, Latin America, Canada ...
 
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Dude, you are full of some high test vitriol! Try homebrewing. It is very relaxing and rewarding.

That being said, Mormons are a cult. Beck is a semi-recovered libtard who cries way too much and wears stupid foot ware on television. That don't make him wrong by a long shot. Also, he was really fat.

This Nazi/fuhrer stuff is really ludicrous and unconvincing, mate.
 
Tweaker, let me clarify things a little further to avoid any misunderstanding.

Wait a minute, how did Herr Beck get into this, and how would calling someone a Nazi
calm down the girls?
You lose this round Dorknier, as the first one to bring up Nazis or like Hitler loses every argument. It's one of the few rules of the internets.

I don't care about this issue as much as the inequities involved with how different it is for me to try to get a job flying for one of the Euro national airlines vs. some Eurotrash male member coming here and
takin' our jobs
(South Park). That crap affects me more directly.
This seems equally unfair and does reek of protectionism. I see Eurabia as a whole in its last dying gasps as a significant economic and political entity. Gonna get ugly and it has been sad and pitiful for a while. Why the hell does quotes turn into gibberish?

Why the hell can I not space my text an instead it is assumed I want a gigantic cluster of a paragraph instead? Is this some form of forced equality so the eloquent among us pilots are forced to appear as grammatically ignint as most pile its?
Here we go, should be better to read now. I really couldn't care less what political affiliation someone has. Whether it is in the US or over in Europe. Most of my friends have different political views and opinions and we treat each other with mutual respect. Different political views are not the issue here.

The abuse, ridicule and mocking of religion, other cultures, race, xenophobia etc. is what I have a problem with. Listening to the rants of Mr. Beck, Limbaugh or Savage bear a frightening similarity to certain individuals that dragged Germany into war ~70 years ago. If you listen carefully to instigators Beck & co. you'll notice almost the same lines and thought patterns. To sound reasonable they'll add that they are good Christians but seem to forget about charity (Christian theology). They abuse religion for their political views and subconsciously tell you how to think . Think it is all bull0cks? Read some of the (real) Nazi propaganda crap. Then you'll think twice about those rants on TV or AM radio. They always mention the key words like Socialism and Communism etc. but they couldn't even explain to you what the difference is. All a tactic of fear. Nothing new. Remember the boycott of French merchandise and those idiots that followed it? How is that different than the boycott of Jewish stores in Germany that started in 1933? Where do you draw the line? Look at those francophobic replies and comments on this thread. Where did it even say in the first post that France alone came up with the EU license requirement? All a result of this Anti-Americanism that was created here. I read the National Review during that time and I can tell you that information about Europe and France in particular was deliberately manipulated. There were criticisms about Bush and his politics from the other side of the Atlantic but so what? It was automatically anti-American by many. Did people in France publicly boycott American companies? Openly mocked us? It gets really scary when you are multilingual and read in different languages. Unfortunately here in the US, no one seems to care about the truth. Only what one wants to hear. And our (mainstream) media plays along.

I agree with you that labeling someone a Nationalsozialist like it had happened to W is completely dumb. It shows the utter ignorance of this magical N-word. Another scare tactic. Seen that before. Those above mentioned rants and diatribes? Now, its getting more serious and I think you should draw the line sooner than later.

Call me whatever you want or make me lose this round, I don't care, but I don't want to see this constantly broadcasted diatribe that our (grand)fathers fought against and paid their lives with creep into our country and society. As a recent example of hate messages and their effect, take a look what the ever hysterical repeating homophobia has caused recently.

Today, it's about France. Tomorrow ... Mexico? Then ... Ireland again? The only thing I can tell you I have seen sh!t hit the fan (which I don't wish anybody), and it started with comments like those being made by Scoreboard the 2nd et al.


Anyway, enjoy your upcoming class at Airways and maybe we'll be able to talk about this over a few relaxing beers. I'll get the first round. Some good domestic yet European-rooted product.


Btw what have they ever done for us?
 
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I fart in your general direction..."

Unfortunately though, that was the French making fun of an "oppressive" king who was elevated to such stature by "a watery tart lying in a bog throwing swords!"

Dizel, I KNOW that was the French on the castle rampart. I was being ironic...

Doorknob, how DO you hold up that incredibly broad brush you paint with? I'm always amused by such foam-at-the-mouth hatred of the United States and those that would DARE to say they like the country the way it used to be and don't want to be a namby-pamby, third-rate, quasi-socialist, muslim theocracy in waiting. Like say, France. You need to lighten up, Francis.
 
Dizel, I KNOW that was the French on the castle rampart. I was being ironic...
.

Your mother was a hamster, now bugger off, you and your silly knnnnigits, oh and for heavens sake, don't mention the war!

Besides I thought you wanted an argument and by gosh, you started it!

The Norwegian blue, beautiful plumage!

And now for something completely different: gutshotdraw, No one expects the Spanish inquisition!

P.S. All in good fun you silly twit!
 
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I will require a shrubbery to forgive you...
 

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