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People sometimes make this common mistake that England (or United Kingdom) is not an EU member. Thats totally incorrect. The UK has Full EU membership. In regards to the Euro, just because the Euro isn't used in the UK doesn't in anyway indicate that the UK is not an EU member, we just don't have the Single Eurpean Currency in use here. That doesn't have anything to do with EU membership.

There is one new interesting thread that I did read on here to the effect of:

There are rumours floating around that there are new regulations coming in to play for converting a FAA commercial or ATP to JAA that are more relaxed than the current requirements.

Apparently an agreement has been made that is with the European commision as we speak that they are trying to get to the European Parliament before the end of the summer?


This is music to my ears if true, and hopefully a good thing to fellow aviators out there wanting (or needing a JAA) ticket without jumping though the hoops.

South America sounds nice! Have a good one!
 
YEs I heard about that too!

I heard about that also, they have been planning it long time!

Lets hope it comes through!

So britguy you instructor in USA now!
 
I hate to bring this thread up again, but looks like theres some good news about FAA to JAA conversions. Here's the link:

http://www.ifrance.fr/bbchat/images/CONVERSION.pdf

Basically, now it looks like you need 1500hrs of time in a 'multi pilot' aircraft and hey presto, one exam later you can have your JAA licence! Not bad huh? Looks like the Europeans have finally sorted their act out.
 
BritishGuy said:
I hate to bring this thread up again, but looks like theres some good news about FAA to JAA conversions. Here's the link:

http://www.ifrance.fr/bbchat/images/CONVERSION.pdf

Basically, now it looks like you need 1500hrs of time in a 'multi pilot' aircraft and hey presto, one exam later you can have your JAA licence! Not bad huh? Looks like the Europeans have finally sorted their act out.
It's about time. Historically, the Brit and Euro attitude regarding aviation has been one that regards aviation and driving airplanes as rocket surgery.... a mixed-bag that regards being a pilot is an "elite" profession reserved for their "best and brightest", protectionist barriers, economies/tax structures that squelch every sector of aviation except state-run airlines and their academies, and every flight as an Apollo moon shot. Nice to see they're waking up....there's probably more corporate aircraft based in the US NE corridor alone than all the European countries combined. This goes for flight schools, clubs, small airlines..you name it. Speaks for itself. Also, the wages are doodly-squat. The grass is NOT greener on the other side of the Atlantic fence.

The Brits...gotta love em...well they just LOVE official-sounding, yet non-essential radio chatter! You can't intercept an approach in radar contact over England without being advised to "advise when established on the approach" (why?...don't ask me..adds to the congested frequencies. I guess their radars don't actually show...you know... blips) or being told "you have 20 miles to run until such-and-such fix" (um....ok!..now just what am I supposed to do with this information, Nigel?). Ah, but the best is when the pilots check onto freq with that phony-baloney accent...you know the one......."Ahem....____ Control, it's THUH SpeedBuhrd 123 Flight Level 400....". I swear, every BA pilot must carry a dictation machine to practice that straight-out-of-Hollywood-central-casting radio voice while alone in their hotel rooms at night, instead on their laptops looking at porn sites like normal pilots. And btw, what's with that "THUH" sh1t ????

Then there's the French! You may have THOUGHT English was the official aviation language.....HA! Just wait until you're surrounded by Air France flights in French airspace...you'll have NO mental picture of what's going on unless you speak French (Gee, they just cleared me in bad English to "line-up-and-wait" on the runway during low vis...but do I have any idea whether they just cleared that other guy they were just talking French to, to land...on me?....He11 no but oh well.. C'est La Vie!!!). And you haven't lived until you've gone through a SAFA inspection on the ramp compliments of their surly authorities.....I'm convinced they're secretly looking for stowaway snails to pocket while you're looking the other way, busy rummaging through dusty supplemental sections of avionics tech logs to prove you actually had the approved equipment to navigate where you just navigated to.

Oh, and they..Brits, Euros..the lot of 'em.... all refer to upgrading as "getting one's Command". "Command".....visions of striding up to and standing...feet firm, legs apart, proud eyes cast to the horizon, Napolean Hat plumage fluttering in the breeze.. on the wooden deck of a 120-gun Man-O-War. Ah yes...the HMS Airbus!

Fly in Europe enough and you will quickly begin to miss the competence and versatility of the controllers in our system (yes, I said that!), and their humor. O'hare-style, ego-crushing sardonic wit doesn't exist over there, and the airway (not airport)-slot system that just keeps almost everybody from going anywhere on the ground (to airports big and small) guarantees that they'll never need NY (and ATL, DFW, LAX, etc) Tracon-types who could, if they had to, squeeze all of Heathrow's traffic into the airspace occupied by Prince Charles' ears.
 
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I had to respond...just to say I laughed my as off.....
and I thought I was the only one who thought this way!

Cheers big ears
CG
 
Flying in Europe

Catyaak

Wow, that's some serious anti-European sh*t there. Have to object to you lumping UK and the rest of Europe together in your diatribe, especially the comments regarding ATC. I fly commercially in the US now, but in a previous life I was an air traffic controller in the UK in the military (RAF). It's a shame you don't experience the military ATC system over there which is equally open to civilian AT.. Just ask a UK based (yes, we have USAF bases) F15-E, KC-135 or C-21 driver which ATC system he prefers, hands down it's the UK. Complete tactical freedom to fly pretty much anywhere you want at any altitude, no flight plan required, no VR/IR routes, just basically the entire country available for low flying.. We had our own center controllers who picked you up/dropped you off for low-level and wherever possible let you fly home in a straight line at your preferred altitude, vectoring you around commercial AT, doesn't happen over here. The center controllers here are excellent without a doubt, but it's mainly US carriers that fly in the US, try mixing it with with Air Slovakia, Aeroflot, Air France and the myriad of small European countries each with soveriegn airspace and a national carrier, it's no fun.

In the UK there's 2 types of airline pilots, the ones who came up in the system, the Nigel's of BA if you like, those are the ones who talk about their Command's etc. Then there are the guys who flew Harriers, Tornado's, Jaguars etc in the RAF for 20 years, my advice to you is if you come across the latter in a bar somewhere in England, don't fu*ck with them unless you enjoy wearing your pint and eating your words.
 
by CatYaaak: Oh, and they..Brits, Euros..the lot of 'em.... all refer to upgrading as "getting one's Command". "Command".....visions of striding up to and standing...feet firm, legs apart, proud eyes cast to the horizon, Napolean Hat plumage fluttering in the breeze.. on the wooden deck of a 120-gun Man-O-War. Ah yes...the HMS Airbus!
Thank you, I've been laughing at that for 2 days straight!
 
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The funniest thing I ever heard on the radio came from a Speedbird pilot. We were climbing out of Luton getting bounced around pretty good so, I asked London Control how the ride's were in the climb.

Contol calls Speedbird 123 how are your rides in the climb.

Speedbird, "I can't tell you"
Control, Why
Speedbird, because the captain is hand flying it once he turns the autopilot on the ride should improve dramaticly.
 
too funny!

Back to the original topic for a second is the JAA ATPL restricted if you take the one exam as explained above?

CG
 

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