ERJ/CRJ noob question

[Wish2Fly]

I see these abreviations all the time, even in this months issue of Flying, and I have no idea what they mean. I think it's <blank> Regional Jet. Could somebody please give me an explaination of the meaning and differences of these two popular terms. Thanks very much.


-Steve

 

[surplus1]

CRJ = Canadair Regional Jet

ERJ = Embraer Regional Jet

Both are acronymns used in the Official Airline Guide (OAG) to designate aircraft type.

The CRJ is manufactured in Canada by Bombardier - thus "Canadair" which is their name.

The ERJ is made in Brasil by a company called Embraer, a contraction for the full Portugese llanguage name = Empresa Brasilia Aeronautica

There are 4 variants of the CRJ = CL65 - 100/200/700/900 - 40-44/50/70/86 seats

Two variants of the ERJ = EMB 135 - 37 seats; EMB 145 - 50 seats.

 

[SkyWestCRJPilot]

I must make a small correction here. The CRJ-100 does not refer to a passenger number but the type of engine used: General Electric CF34-3A1. The CRJ-200 uses the General Electric CF34-3B1 which has better hot and high performance. Add ER (extended range) after -100 or -200 and the aircraft is a 51,000 lb. variant. Add LR (long range) instead and it is a 53,000 lb variant. The CRJ-240 is a 40 passenger variant (a 50 passenger fuselage with only 40 seats and an extended coat closet) and the CRJ-440 is a 44 passenger variant with the 50-seat fuselage and 44 seats with an extended coat closet. These last two were created to comply with scope clauses. All four of these are just marketing variants used by the manufacturer but the -240, -440, -100, and -200 are actually all a CL600-2B19. For the CRJ-700 and -701 it is CL600-2C10. For the CRJ-900 it is CL600-2D24. All CRJs are also called a CL-65 which is what is on the back of the captain's license as the type rating and thus they all have a common type rating. Also Bombardier (pronounced Bombardee-ay because it's French) is the parent company and Canadair is either a subsidiary or brand name which makes the Canadair Regional Jet. Bombardier also makes bullet trains, outdoor recreational equipment like snowmobiles and four-wheelers but those aren't under Canadair. They also have a corporate aircraft line up and they make the Learjet series, Global Express, Continental, and Challengers. The also make the Q series Dash 8 turboprops too. Try www.bombardier.com. Embraer makes the ERJ-135, -140, -145, -170, -175, -190, and -195 but anything higher than the -145 hasn't been certified yet. Their most recent aircraft in service is the ERJ-145XR an eXtended Range variant of the -145. You can look under www.embraer.com for a better listing of their differences since I don't know them as well as the CRJs. Sorry if I've complicated the simple answer surpls1 gave but I wanted to clarify.

 

[ArcticFlier]

ERJ..........JungleJet

CRJ..........ArcticJet




AF

 

[Wish2Fly]

Thanks very much

Thats fine. Details are just what I was looking for actually. Now all I have to do is go to each companies website and find out what they look like so I can ID them at the airport. Thanks for your knowledge.

-steve

 

[SkyWestCRJPilot]

Try this website. They have photos of every company that flies RJs. http://www.airliners.net/

 

[surplus1]

Try this website. They have photos of every company that flies RJs. http://www.airliners.net/

Nice post with the details.

 

[LearLove]

"Trivia time:

If you trace its family tree, how many know where the CRJ really started (Hint: it's not the Challenger)?"

my answer: the Falcon 30 (never went into production b/c of the gas crisis in the 70's, regional routes were kept to turboprop service. The fuselage of the 30 became the falcon 900.)

 

[groundpointsix]

Trivia time:

If you trace its family tree, how many know where the CRJ really started (Hint: it's not the Challenger)?

I'd guess a Learjet, though I couldn't say which model for certain.

 

[Cardinal]

The Challenger was Bill Lear's baby, before being pulled off the shelf by Bombardier. Didn't Boeing briefly posses the design rights? In any case, I think he called it the LearStar, or something to that effect.

 

[acarpe3448]

I did not know the connection between Lear and the modern day regional jet. Thats interesting. I have also read that the Challenger program and many of it's present day stats, are a direct result of Federal Express looking at an entire fleet of these aircraft to replace their Falcon 20s. Fed Ex was in the design process and required some special modifications. The width and height of the challenger was a result of Fed Ex requirements to be able to hold certain cargo containers. Before Fed Ex actually took any of these aircraft, airline deregulation made it possible for Fed Ex to acquire a fleet of 727s. Fed Ex has played an important role in multiple Lear/Challenger projects. I believe they were the launch customer for the Challenger 600 as well as the Lear 45. Interesting stuff. Fed Ex's new Global Express is impressive! As is their entire Corporate Flight Department.

 

[XLR8]

Here's a little more trivia! The CRJ fuselage is actually made by Shorts. I don't know where Shorts are made but they fly the CRJ fuselage to the Bombardier plant in Montreal and then add the other stuff (ie, wings, tail, cockpit, etc.)

For those who think I'm full of crap......I heard it from a guy who works for the Action Desk at the factory in Montreal.

 

[skypine69]

A lot of the componants for the CRJ are made in Ireland. I think Shannon, but not positive.

 

[ClassG]

Hey, XLR8.

Please tell me. You don't ener have to say WHERE it came from, just what it is.

Is that the the portside winglet of a CRJ in your avatar? Now THAT's one for the Remarks section: Empty leg Rock n Roll.

Please tell. I promise not to ask for any other details.

If it happens to be the King Air 200, then not so impressive. (Only beacuse I've, you know, uh, heard of that done in the Beech 1900 many, many, many, many times.)

Oh, and I also have a stupid question for the thread starter. What is NOOB anyway? Maybe short for Newbie? Or F'NewGee? Just wondering. I keep thinking it's NOOP which used to mean No Operation to one past employer.

 

[cl-65link]

Shorts is actually in Belfast.

 

[Wish2Fly]

NOOB meaning

Yes, NOOB is slang for newbie. That's leftover from my Everquest days. It's somewhat akin to calling all the arriving Freshmen "freshmeat".

-Steve