Erau

[AD SUPT Hopeful]

U-I pilot,

You're probably one of the smartest people I know; keep up the good work!

Well, you are right, i never went there.....but that was my choice. They said "sure.....we'll take your blank check and you wont not be not loving your flight training before you know it."


It sickens me to think how arrogant MOST (emphasis added) ERAU students are. You know why all the stats show most pilots are from there...? Cause the school is so **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** big. I know a few friends who went there and now coming out to flight instruction jobs they have $80-100 grand of debt. But hey, it gets you to the big money sooooo much faster cause your $80,000 piece of paper says ERAU on it right?

And thats just the normal program....dont even touch the CAPT program.....thats a whole new "cylinder" of worms.....

 

[Clyde]

It's not even worth responding to your post. But not all of us will come out of here in debt. I'm not taking out any lones or have to pay back anything. I'm on scholarship. Secondly, I love the flight training here. It's more thorough than any flight training I have ever received in the past. Thirdly, when I gave them a check, it wasn't blank. Maybe that's your problem.

Don't talk about places you have never been too.

It sounds like they do a poor job teaching grammar. "Secondly" and "Thirdly" are not proper use of grammar.

BTW, I went to ERAU many years ago for one semester. I left because I thought the place sucked.

 

[BoilerUP]

I have friends from high school that went to ERAU-D. In fact, I instructed one guy this past summer on getting his commercial; he said he couldn't get scheduled in an Arrow there. Another guy can't fly his way out of a paper bag, and to say his knowledge is poor would be an understatement. Then again, there are some people here at Purdue that I would NOT trust with my family on their airplane. There also are some arrogant farks here, both past and present. I guess that rings true for ANY major flight school, university or otherwise. The reason it seems there are so many more ERAU pricks out there is they simply pump out more pilots than everywhere else; the precentages aren't in their favor.

I considered ERAU but it was too far away from home, cost a little too much $$$, and there weren't nearly enough women. That being said, it really IS a good school (for what it concentrates in), and I have flown with some excellent pilots who trained there. It just wasn't the best school for me...

And yes, from an outsider's opinion(MINE), the CAPT program gives ERAU a huge tarnish to their reputation. I can't believe they'd associate with that type of sh!t...

 

[wheelsup]

I spent a grand total of $35,000 on my flight training there. That included $5,000 for my private I did before coming to school. The way I look at it, I flew BRAND new airplane (one even had 7 hours on it when I did my commercial xcty) with new equipment on board - radios/gps etc. I felt it was a good deal.

I also did my 4 year degree in 2 years and 10 months, which cut down on costs. I think I spent about $50,000 on the degree there - which could have been cheaper had I gone to a community college but as far as private colleges go that's not too bad!

Thank goodness for parents ...I'm only in debt $15k for my education/ratings.

My girlfriend did her 4 year there in communications and spent $30,000 for 4 years. That's not bad either, again speaking private schools.

~wheelsup

 

[U-I pilot]

Why should we not bring up the CAPT program?

Well, Ill let you answer your question by researching it. Here's a hint on questions to find the answers to:

How much does it cost?
How long is the program supposed to take?
How long did it take the first people to graduate?
How many people have graduated since it started over 15 months ago?
How many of those people have jobs or interviews?
And after answering all of these....go to the ERAU website to see all the current news they put out about how good these grads are doing out there!

Oh yea......and if any of you got the november copy of AOPA flight training, read the blurb on page 20. That should be the most up to date info ive seen to date.

 

[AD SUPT Hopeful]

I've noticed that a majority of the kids in FBOs and even here on base who hold grudges towards the ERAU program tend to suffer from Dorkitis with an accute inflamation of Pimplefacious. Look, in the "real world" no one gives a second thought to what college you graduated from. The only thoughts going through other people's mind is, "Can this guy get the job done?" If you're that flustered and fustigated when someone mentions ERAU, you probably need to put down the Dungeon Master's guide and get a life.

 

[DKM]

Don't forget

www.captiscrap.com for your ERAU CAPT Program research needs.

 

[Flyguy2k8]

I guess we will just have to wait until you and I are in the interview room together. Then we will see who gets the job. Also while it is not traditional to use numbers in the format of "secondly" and "thirdly", it is still acceptable. Look it up, it is called an adverb. Can you really not think of anything better than to attack my grammar usage, which turned out to be correct.
We don't live in a daze here. We all realize we will have to get our hours just like everyone else. What we do realize is that the percentages are in our favor.
My father has a client who recruits for American Eagle, and a friend who recruits for Continental. Both of these men said they will hire a Riddle, or a UND grad over someone else ANY DAY, ANY TIME, and that is undisputable.

 

[cleared2land1]

Having gone to Riddle or UND does not matter in the interview. They could care less. It is how you interview that makes the difference!! If they give you an interview, than they want to give you a job.

 

[Flyguy2k8]

I agree, but it is nice knowing that you have somewhat of an edge. I can totally respect your viewpoint seeing that you are an ATP with 3300 TT. You have obviously been in the game a lot longer than me!

PS Do your work for any company?

 

[wmuflyguy]

I guess we will just have to wait until you and I are in the interview room together. Then we will see who gets the job.

Just dont act arrogant at the interview, I'm sure that will be a quick way to get shown the door.

Odd that my choice of college would mean so much, that a person who chose a different college would automatically be hired in front of me. Nevermind the other accompishments that a person has accompished in their life or the persons personaility.

Even if the person got a job, if they acted like an arrogant little S#$% in training, I'm sure they would have a short stay with that company. Now, Explain how you got terminated at the next interveiw.

Bottom Line: YOU GOT A DEGREE. Good!!

Now lets go build the flight experience and enjoy not doing homework. I sure enojoy doing both at the moment.

Now, I'm gonna go drink, it is my day off.

 

[Flyguy2k8]

HAHA that post made me laugh. Thanks. So in your opinion what is the best way to build flight time? I'm sure you will say CFI. Is there another alternative to instructing that will build flight time?


Thanks

 

[BoilerUP]

I guess we will just have to wait until you and I are in the interview room together. Then we will see who gets the job. Also while it is not traditional to use numbers in the format of "secondly" and "thirdly", it is still acceptable. Look it up, it is called an adverb. Can you really not think of anything better than to attack my grammar usage, which turned out to be correct.
We don't live in a daze here. We all realize we will have to get our hours just like everyone else. What we do realize is that the percentages are in our favor.
My father has a client who recruits for American Eagle, and a friend who recruits for Continental. Both of these men said they will hire a Riddle, or a UND grad over someone else ANY DAY, ANY TIME, and that is undisputable.

Dude, take it from somebody that knows, CHILL with the rhetoric. Its good that you are proud of your school, but don't think you are better or deserve something more than any other pilot out there because you flew airplanes that ended in Echo Romeo.

Being an ERAU grad will open doors for you that otherwise take much longer, or might not be opened at all. That is, if one remains humble and doesn't get any sort of holier-than-thou complex. There is a reason that some people don't like Riddle (or UND, or Purdue, or ________ school) grads..."They are good, but they know they are good".

I wish you the best of luck in your collegiate experience and your aviation career, but a word of advice from somebody just a couple years higher up: don't drink the school's koolaid - you have to earn everything you get, just like anybody else. Work hard, get good grades, for the love of God get your CFI-IA (if not MEI) and fly as much as you possibly can...but don't sacrifice a decent social life. The harder you work now the less you have to "pay dues" once you graduate, but you only go to college once - have a good time.

My $.02 for what it may be worth,

BoilerUP

 

[Flyguy2k8]

HAHAHA hey thanks a lot!

 

[BoilerUP]

HAHA that post made me laugh. Thanks. So in your opinion what is the best way to build flight time? I'm sure you will say CFI. Is there another alternative to instructing that will build flight time?

Instructing will make you a better, more knowedgable pilot. There is nothing in the world harder than teaching, and nothing reinforces your own knowledge better than being forced to know it well enough to impart on somebody else.

That being said, if you are dead-set against instructing, you have a few options:

1. Banner tow. Lots of options in FL, but watch out for shady operators what want you to pay for your training.

2. Traffic watch. Mainly in moderate to large cities, flying donuts for 4-6 hours every day. Build lots of time fast, but very little "quality" time (cross country, IMC, etc). I have a buddy that built 1000 hours in 18 months doing traffic watch, and he only did it part time!

3. Be lucky enough to know somebody with a plane and become their "pilot". Network as much as possible, and jump at every opportunity to fly. This is probably the toughest way to go, because its a pain in the arse to get added to somebody's insurance or make the open pilot requirement (it took an act of Congress to get me added to a local car dealer's Saratoga policy).

4. Buy your time (NOT RECOMMENDED). Once you become a commercial pilot, its just about time to quit paying for flying and start getting paid for flying. Now if you want to take a trip or something, thats different, but boreing holes in the sky is out of the question, and is very expensive. I would only recommend buying multi time for experience-building, and only then if you are splitting it with another pilot. This is a large benefit to having your CFI-CFII-MEI.

Once again, just my opinion FWIW. good luck........

 

[wmuflyguy]

HAHA that post made me laugh. Thanks. So in your opinion what is the best way to build flight time? I'm sure you will say CFI. Is there another alternative to instructing that will build flight time?

CFI'ing is one way to go, It is the route i chose, I had a great initial CFI who taught me from 0 time through the commercial and he made me want to teach with his good attitude.

I have friends that are doing a number of Different things. 2 are flying a Cardinal (i think) for a Cable company and they fly back and forth over cities with some gismo's and look for wholes in the system. They get alot of Actual and Nite experience from what i heard.

2 friends did the Gulfstream thing (ok no flame please). One i heard got hired at pinnacle. The other i have no idea if he is done yet, he jsut didnt want to flight instruct. Unfortunately, this isnt economic for me.

2 People i know got UPT slots in the military. Very tough to get in, I wish my Color vision was good enough to pass the test. I woud love try it.

1 other friend is trying for the Air National Gaurd. I keep thinking to myself i will go attempt the medical portion to see how the vision is.

Heard of poeple flying Parachuters. I am gonna look for soemthing like this next summer. Sounds like it would be fun and good expereince.

Other tips i'm using. Never turn down safety pilot time, live at the flight school if your an instructor (I'm having trouble with that one). If you instruct, be the instructor that is fun and professiona, that people like to fly with. Dont be the a$$ people dont ask to the bar.

Seems last nite is catching up with me, it looks liek an early nite. need some Silver bullets

 

[wmuflyguy]

Instructing will make you a better, more knowedgable pilot. There is nothing in the world harder than teaching, and nothing reinforces your own knowledge better than being forced to know it well enough to impart on somebody else.

Thats the TRUTH!

I'm nearing the 100 Dual given mark and i have learned an astonishing amount. You learn alot about the plane, people, yourself, and the system from teaching in it every day.

I must say instructing boosts your confidence as a pilot and increases your ability to think quickly and accurately.

I truely enjoy my job, even though i may make jokes about how much i make.

 

[wheelsup]

Other tips i'm using. Never turn down safety pilot time, live at the flight school if your an instructor (I'm having trouble with that one).

I did that for 10 months at 2 schools. Answered phones, talked people into spending money, etc. I felt like a used car salesmen...

I ended up at a school where all I do is show up for the activity and the student is all set to go with the lesson in hand, I just walk up and we go. Heck, they even do their own 141 paperwork and fill out the logbook, all I do is sign it! Pretty sweet deal, and the best part is I'm making ~$2400/month before tax. All this with a 5-day 8-5 job!

Edit: Forgot to mention this is full time (not contract employment) with benies .

Do yourself a favor and find a decent school that doesn't take advantage of the instructors...you'll be grateful .

 

[wmuflyguy]

Do yourself a favor and find a decent school that doesn't take advantage of the instructors...you'll be grateful .

Oh, i work for a rather large university, teaching under part 141. I still go flying with friends who need a safety pilot.

All i'm required to do is show up and teach, and do some paperwork on the side which i am paid for. I definately do not make as much as you do though. Is your company hiring?

Oh, I dont answer phones either.

 

[aeronautic1]

Next generation jet

Just took my first job in a next generation, fully EFIS aircraft; the Gulfstream 200 (ex-Galaxy). $42,000 (plus ben.) to start in right seat. Company paid for my $35,000 type rating. Thank you Professional Flight Training of Ft. Lauderdale for giving me my start in aviation. It's good to know that there is a monetarily different course to plot towards a rewarding aviation career.