Entry Level King Air Position

[mike1mc]

From another board:

We have an opportunity in North Carolina for a C90B pilot. Applicants must be able to qualify for our insurance (approximately 1500 hrs total time, 500 turbine/500 multi/commercial preferable). Salary commensurate with experience.


Any leads?



Contact:

Skip Gilliland

High Point, NC

[email protected]

336-240-2242

 

[caseyd]

From another board:

We have an opportunity in North Carolina for a C90B pilot. Applicants must be able to qualify for our insurance (approximately 1500 hrs total time, 500 turbine/500 multi/commercial preferable). Salary commensurate with experience.


Any leads?



Contact:

Skip Gilliland

High Point, NC

[email protected]

336-240-2242

Skip,
Just one guy's opinion but, I do hope qualifying for insurance is not the only threashold your applicants need cross. I've got a 16 year old with a drivers license and insurance and I'd dam sure not send him off with my 14 year old daughter in the back seat. If you get my meaning. Y'all be careful out there.
caseyd

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Skip,
Just one guy's opinion but, I do hope qualifying for insurance is not the only threashold your applicants need cross. I've got a 16 year old with a drivers license and insurance and I'd dam sure not send him off with my 14 year old daughter in the back seat. If you get my meaning. Y'all be careful out there.
caseyd

ya think it might be a right seat position?

 

[Lead Sled]

Just one guy's opinion but, I do hope qualifying for insurance is not the only threashold your applicants need cross. I've got a 16 year old with a drivers license and insurance and I'd dam sure not send him off with my 14 year old daughter in the back seat. If you get my meaning. Y'all be careful out there.
caseyd

Well said.

'Sled

 

[Flyingdutchman]

What's the pay?
schedule?

etc etc etc

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Case,

No offence, but there is a big difference between a 16 y/old high school kid and a 21 y/old qualified (1500+ TT) charter/corporate king air pilot.. If you get my drift..

Regards,
FD

 

[350DRIVER]

That is somewhat low for this type of a position although some insurance policys are more relaxed than others and some allow for more flexibility. Still a bit low to think someone at 1500TT can be "insurable" on a brand new C90B but then again who knows.. The 500 turbine may be the "key" here. If you throw in FSI or comparable school training then this may also be the "how" behind this. Much cheaper as well to pay a wet behind the ears young kid with 1500TT versus the high time seasoned av8or with 1,000's of hours and experience. (Salary commensurate with experience). These reqt's and TT is certainly not the norm when it comes to hiring corporate or charter pilots into the left of turbine equipment.


My guess is that this may be SpitFire and if it is you will make peanuts.


3 5 0

*(my 2nd guess is that this is probably not a brand new bird or even close)

 

[caseyd]

Case,

No offence, but there is a big difference between a 16 y/old high school kid and a 21 y/old qualified (1500+ TT) charter/corporate king air pilot.. If you get my drift..

Regards,
FD

FD
No offense taken. I just remember many years ago being stuffed into the left seat of a C90 with 1500+/-. It was not pretty. Equipment these days might be the best. Training might be the best. But at the end of the day what brings one safely home are the judgements made while inflight. And without meaning to hurt feelings, someone with 1500/500/500, as the original post suggests, is IMHO just a bit shy. Problem is many don't know what they don't know. Like JFK Jr, may he rest in peace. The man meant no harm. He just did not understand the implication of night flight over water in reduced visibility. And that's the danger facing low time PIC's.
Respectfully,
caseyd

 

[kingaira90]

My guess is that this may be SpitFire and if it is you will make peanuts.


3 5 0

*(my 2nd guess is that this is probably not a brand new bird or even close)

Unless they have multiple locations in NC I believe spitfire is located in Concord, NC Just north of Charlotte. Could be wrong though. -kingaira90

 

[Kingairrick]

FD
No offense taken. I just remember many years ago being stuffed into the left seat of a C90 with 1500+/-. It was not pretty. Equipment these days might be the best. Training might be the best. But at the end of the day what brings one safely home are the judgements made while inflight. And without meaning to hurt feelings, someone with 1500/500/500, as the original post suggests, is IMHO just a bit shy. Problem is many don't know what they don't know. Like JFK Jr, may he rest in peace. The man meant no harm. He just did not understand the implication of night flight over water in reduced visibility. And that's the danger facing low time PIC's.
Respectfully,
caseyd

I can see your point, and I agree with the concept. However, a C90B flies like a Baron, only easier...500 turbine and multi is plenty IMHO...I know very competent people who flew 90s with less than that.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I can see your point, and I agree with the concept. However, a C90B flies like a Baron, only easier...500 turbine and multi is plenty IMHO...I know very competent people who flew 90s with less than that.

I think a 1500hr pilot can fly a King Air no problem. The problem may be if this if for a low-end 135 on demand outfit (just for example). Then the hard decisions made late at night under less than optimal circumstances might be challenging for an inexperienced fella...

Late night, snowy, non precision approach with an a$$wipe boss yelling at you and a few things inop on the King Air....single pilot, tired pilot....top that off with only 1500TT. No thanks. Getting a wee bit over the top for me.

Not that many haven't done it - just not the best scenario IMHO.

Be careful out there y'all

 

[BrokeAssPilot]

Last year mesa was hiring into the left seat of a "king air" 1900 with atp times which are something like 1500 and 500 i think? You can go be the super above all in aviation "CRJ" pilot at the worst regional known to man Pinchanickle down in memphis with only and i say again a temp comm and a few hundred g-stream hrs.

 

[Hung Start]

Problem is many don't know what they don't know.



How true

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Last year mesa was hiring into the left seat of a "king air" 1900 with atp times which are something like 1500 and 500 i think? You can go be the super above all in aviation "CRJ" pilot at the worst regional known to man Pinchanickle down in memphis with only and i say again a temp comm and a few hundred g-stream hrs.

AH yes...

but they also tell you when to go, where to you, and if you can go.
A chimp can fly back and forth from Newark to Cleveland all day....

The hard decisions are where the experience comes into play.

I would hate to see what happens if these temp comm guys got their hands on an aircraft unsupervised...

 

[training]

Last year mesa was hiring into the left seat of a "king air" 1900 with atp times which are something like 1500 and 500 i think? You can go be the super above all in aviation "CRJ" pilot at the worst regional known to man Pinchanickle down in memphis with only and i say again a temp comm and a few hundred g-stream hrs.

I am a g-streamer at pinnacle and I know now that I have enough experience at 450 hours to captain any jet in the world.

 

[caseyd]

I can see your point, and I agree with the concept. However, a C90B flies like a Baron, only easier...500 turbine and multi is plenty IMHO...I know very competent people who flew 90s with less than that.

At risk of repeating what others have written, my only concern with upgrading anyone to the left seat, regardless of TT or time in type is their decision making. 200 observed that chimps can drive operate the equipment and he is correct. He questioned decision making under pressure and that is the real issue. When I was much younger I upgraded in a BAC 1-11. Though I had 5000 hours at the time, I learned more about flying, myself and the burdens of command over the next two years that I ever thought possible. Decision I nearly screamed at my old Captains, because they looked so obvious to me, suddenly seemed less clear. I know your right, the planes are easy to fly. It's the decision making that originally prompted me to challenge the originator of this thread who indicated that candidates need only to meet his insurance minimums to be considered. While I'm certain that is not his only requirement, it looked like a good point to enbark upon a discussion, and so we have.
Regards,
caseyd

 

[Lead Sled]

It's not that 1,500 hour pilots can't handle the "control manipulation part" of flying, they certainly can. The issue is one of depth, not breath of knowledge. Pilots in this position (and every one of us old farts have been there) have a broad range of knowledge, it often just doesn't run very deep. That's what experience does - deepens your knowledge and understanding. You don’t manipulate the controls “better”, you just fly “smarter”.

I only earn my money on those very infrequent days that I have to tell my boss "no". When the weather is good and when the equipment is operating correctly it doesn't take much of a pilot to do my job. It's when we have to deal with "difficult" weather, "belligerant" equipment, and/or "challenging" airports that I earn my money. In other words, I get paid to say "no". However, they expect me to have the skill and experience to only say "no" when it is the only safe option. Inexperienced pilots get into trouble when they say "no" and it wasn't necessary or when they don't say "no" when it was. Can a 1,500 hour pilot operate to those standards? Of course some can and of course some can't. However, the same could be said for pilots of every experience level. Personally, the way I would handle a 1,500 hour King Air pilot is quite simple - would I allow a family member to fly with him or her? Could I put a son or daughter, a grandson or daughter on their airplane and walk away and not worry. I have known some pilots that I could do that with and some that I couldn't. Some of those pilots had around 1,500 hours, some had over 10,000.

'Sled

 

[psysicx]

There is an operator in Socal that hires CJ PICs with 1500 hrs.

 

[OleGuy]

I am a g-streamer at pinnacle and I know now that I have enough experience at 450 hours to captain any jet in the world.

The people with their useless experience rest their case.

 

[HMR]

Still a bit low to think someone at 1500TT can be "insurable" on a brand new C90B but then again who knows..

I was put into the left seat of a brand new (70hrs on the hobbs) BE20 with 1300TT/500Multi/ZERO Turbine. It was single pilot PT135 ops. Today, if a pilot with those same times was going to fly my mother, I'd say "NO (edit) WAY"! I completely agree with the depth vs. breadth of knowledge argument. Flying the plane is NO problem for a competent, low-time pilot. The King Air really is a big Duchess. It was when I started doing the ski-country airports when the wx was down or dodging CB's in Texas that I realised how shallow my knowledge was/is.