Enlisted Crew to WO/Pilot in the Guard?

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I don't like to assume, so I'll ask:

Has anyone here, or does anyone here know someone who has ... transitioned from enlisted crew to a flying position in the National Guard? Did it help the process to be a 15T/15R/15S first, or was that a negative (I don't wanna assume)?

Danke Schon ...

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Minh, you'll probably be blazing new trails already when you show up to Eustis or Rucker as a 42 year old 15T AIT student. We tip our hats to you. Somebody smarter than me will know the current regs, but believe that "up to 52 years old" age waiver for prior-service does not apply to IERW school. Maybe it does, the Guard does things "differently" but I've not heard of anyone over 40. I did hear of someone who was 40 at graduation with waivers up the kazoo. Maybe you'll be the first over-40 fart to make it. Research the regs and do a hell of a good job as a 15T. Almost anything is waiverable if the timing is right. Good luck.
 

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Almost anything is waiverable if the timing is right.
LOL! I'm hoping so! :D

The word I got was that even RW flight slots are now 'waiverable' past 38yo for prior service, but I do not, in fact, have official confirmation of that as yet. And besides ... if I never do anything more than work on 'em and man a door gun, that'll be very cool, also. It'll be an honor just to serve again. As long as I don't have to hump a rucksack again. :D

Minh "Old Fart" Thong
 

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Snakum said:
I don't like to assume, so I'll ask:

Has anyone here, or does anyone here know someone who has ... transitioned from enlisted crew to a flying position in the National Guard? Did it help the process to be a 15T/15R/15S first, or was that a negative (I don't wanna assume)?

Danke Schon ...

Herr Minhberg
Yes, I have know several. There are some who believe the experience gives you a leg up in the selection process. I don't know how the numbers fall out to say if that is true or not. Can't imagine it would be a negative though since the unit is the one sending bodies to fill the slot. So, if you consistently piss off the SP when you crew for him then maybe the FC won't be so inclined to send you down. Even if he does, remember that RL progression can be much sloooooower in the Guard, and most of the SPs have very long memories.

As far as the age is concerned, I agree with BS; anything can be and probably has been waived in the NG. You would have to witness a PT test to believe it.
 

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You would have to witness a PT test to believe it
LOL! :D

Thanks for all your help, T.

Minh
 

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My cousin was a enlisted guner, got out and went W/O, first in the OH-58, then to the C-21. He just got back from Iraq. Good luck.
 

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I'm a 15T and I can tell you that if you are a CE first you will be much better off in flight school. You will be well ahead of most other people in your class. Or should be anyways!
 

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You will be well ahead of most other people in your class.
And I'll be about twice their age, as well. :D

Still trying to get the 'official' word on NG WOFT age waivers ...


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Snakum said:
And I'll be about twice their age, as well. :D

Still trying to get the 'official' word on NG WOFT age waivers ...


Minh
(Looks like I might be back to humping a rucksack in and out of Bradly :()
Hope not. You've done your time. Now you should be slinging grunts out of a Hawk's side doors .

I do believe that an ex-grunt makes the best aviator- front or back.
 

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Sunday morning I met a UH-60 crew from the 2/224th while waiting for our pax in GSO. They flew down on a training flight, and another 60 from the 2/224th had flown in earlier that morning, and they were parked and gone already when I showed up for my flight.

I didn't have time to chat with their chief, but the cadet that was riding along said they had open 15T slots. I'm still working with the local recruiter and am waiting on the poop about out-of-state Guard units, after which I will call the number you sent. Thanks very much for that, too, by the way. The guys I met Sunday spoke very highly of the female Sgt. Major. That's kind of new for me. A female Sgt. Major. LOL. Was she RW maintenance before going into 'management'?

Thanks again!

Minh
 

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I don't recall all of her background, but she was in the FW unit at RIC for a good number of years. She really is a first rate NCO.

Again, good luck.
 

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There are plenty of slots available, and waivers to go with it. We had a guy who just came back at 41. He was 39 when he went, prior 15 series. With AZ, you need to be in the guard for one year, not sure about other states. We've got plenty of WO slots available, however they are restricted to people already in the Arizona ARNG.
 

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Things haven't eggzackery gone as initially planned. I know already that a WOFT slot is never going to happen. In fact, right now I'll be lucky to get a Crew Chief slot.

Lotsa stuff happening.

Minh :(
 
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