Endeavor attrition

[1.3XVso]

1.3XVSo,

What's up with this internal fighting still going on? Rumors of a downgrade being pushed back because Mesaba/Colgan reps are fighting against Bloch quotas. Kind ironic, when their planes were getting parked they would stick to the letter of the Bloch award to get their left seats in 9E planes. Now that 9E's original planes are being parked, all hell breaks loose and they are peddling backwards to save their own seats.

Im not going to be affected. So I really don't give a sh*t! But I am bringing popcorn to the crew room and just watch at my spinless 85% yes voters shake. I am also going to enjoy watching the "ericson" regime shake as well. At this point in my aviation career, the end is near for me. My departure from this industry will conclude with a smile when I see everyone here burn. JUST A FEW MORE MONTH!

 

[gojo]

1.3XVSo,

What's up with this internal fighting still going on? Rumors of a downgrade being pushed back because Mesaba/Colgan reps are fighting against Bloch quotas. Kind ironic, when their planes were getting parked they would stick to the letter of the Bloch award to get their left seats in 9E planes. Now that 9E's original planes are being parked, all hell breaks loose and they are peddling backwards to save their own seats.

Are you just trying to stir the pot, because I've heard it's the Pinnacle reps. Whatever it is, I wish we could just put this $hit behind us and move on. What I don't understand is why people that have left 9E keep getting involved.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Are you just trying to stir the pot, because I've heard it's the Pinnacle reps. Whatever it is, I wish we could just put this $hit behind us and move on. What I don't understand is why people that have left 9E keep getting involved.

It's getting hard to tell if he's just misinformed or purposefully making things up isn't it? The XJ guys wrote the language on the fences, if there is a dispute they call Bloch again and then he asks the XJ guys what they wrote and what they meant. There's still some confusion on the quotas to this day but I'm not aware of anyone fighting this time. Last time one group got laughed at for their interpretation of the 200s parking somehow being traded in for more 900s but that's the last I heard anything serious.

Maybe there is a new way to interpret the fences someone is trying out. Hope Bloch doesn't charge per visit.

 

[1.3XVso]

Are you just trying to stir the pot, because I've heard it's the Pinnacle reps. Whatever it is, I wish we could just put this $hit behind us and move on. What I don't understand is why people that have left 9E keep getting involved.

What's the deal here?

 

[big shacks]

Honor the Bloch award! I really don't feel that bad for some of the colgan folks. I mean ********************! They can can sit right seat for a year or two, until the Bloch award hits it's ex

 

[big shacks]

Expiration period...sorry iPhone mishap. This is not meant to be a insult, but you jumped up 4 years seniority for what?

 

[jynxyjericho]

Seems like there is a disagreement, DRC has to go to Bloch. Sounds like an easy meeting though, review how displacements work and how to apply thehbloch award, I hope we get a discount from Bloch.

 

[VGerect]

Could you imagine? The FO who got his SIC type from the sim center APD will now be the Captain on an A320 with a newhire FO that was the same APD that did his ride. That's gotta be awkward.

Oh I sure hope that APD is the fat assed, corvette driving, baseball hat wearing, Memphis redneck, northern Mississippi flying club, "professional" that was doing Captain type rides in 2006-2007.

 

[e=mc2]

Just your ALPO MEC chair looking out for his buddies at the expense of anybody who gets in his way.

If you ain't MASLABA you do not count!

 

[xjhawk]

are you kidding? That chairman has been throwing anyone hired after 2000 at Mesaba under the bus for the last 10+ years. He has a vested interest in maintaining the position of those senior pilots at the expense of everyone else.

 

[1.3XVso]

Oh I sure hope that APD is the fat assed, corvette driving, baseball hat wearing, Memphis redneck, northern Mississippi flying club, "professional" that was doing Captain type rides in 2006-2007.

That dude was one of the fairest apd on the line.

 

[1.3XVso]

are you kidding? That chairman has been throwing anyone hired after 2000 at Mesaba under the bus for the last 10+ years. He has a vested interest in maintaining the position of those senior pilots at the expense of everyone else.

Didn't you vote yes??!!

 

[big shacks]

Without battling over who's poop don't stink... This award is going to change many lives. XJ fellas around the ten year mark have huge stakes invested...the reality is that some might close the doors down because a ten year XJ captain is junior to a 7 year 9E or 2006 hire at Colgan. "And that's the way the cookie crumbles"

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Without battling over who's poop don't stink... This award is going to change many lives. XJ fellas around the ten year mark have huge stakes invested...the reality is that some might close the doors down because a ten year XJ captain is junior to a 7 year 9E or 2006 hire at Colgan. "And that's the way the cookie crumbles"

I'd love to see a breakdown of where in seniority (post bloch ) the 15% no voters were.

 

[big shacks]

Definitely..I just finished training, and had a 9E & XJ guy in my class that were both hired in 2001...a month apart. One is about 800 numbers senior to the other. What a complete joke...Bloch and ALPA are worthless. However, I did appreciate the ALPA claim in 2006, but everything since then has been a big disappointment. I don't see how this airline can survive in the coming years. Huge training costs, downgrades that will basically cause a mass exodus of FO's. I, for one... will not sit right seat to a Colgan captain, that was hired four years after me. Mesa's hiring right?

 

[1.3XVso]

Captain Arrogant Rose peddles is eager to escape. For those who had the privledge to work with tool time rose. Just to have a idea on how many people dislike tool time rose. Please "quote" with a +1 or a +10. 10 being beyond the tool scale. Thank you.

 

[VGerect]

Captain Arrogant Rose peddles is eager to escape. For those who had the privledge to work with tool time rose. Just to have a idea on how many people dislike tool time rose. Please "quote" with a +1 or a +10. 10 being beyond the tool scale. Thank you.

+10
he's a total a$$ clown

 

[IFLYASA]

Endeavor will continue to shrink. Who in their right mind with 1500 hours want to go there? How will they get pilots to replace attrition? They won't . It will just get smaller and smaller.

 

[big shacks]

I agree 1000%..it makes absolutely no sense at all to apply at Bendeavor. I'm still scratching my head at some of our junior FO's that are still dreaming of the preferential interview at D.

 

[IFLYASA]

Delta will eventually have to shift the flying because of the lack of pilots. I don't buy into this having to be the 2nd lowest carrier at xjet. Who else is left to take to on that much flying?

 

[Airscrew]

Which will come first? Too few pilots or too few planes? I suspect aircraft returns will increase to balance the attrition but that can only happen for so long and so fast. The singularity will be when downgrades increase beyond 13-02 and no one can afford to stay. This place is a self sustaining black hole of attrition that will force a shutdown.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It will continue to spiral until the lifers at/near the top become FOs. At that point probably even they will no longer be lifers with the horrible FO pay. But by that point we will be the size of Comair and destined for the same fate.

 

[russtgol]

Delta will eventually have to shift the flying because of the lack of pilots. I don't buy into this having to be the 2nd lowest carrier at xjet. Who else is left to take to on that much flying?

SkyWest......

 

[PBRstreetgang]

SkyWest......

Skywest is chasing the very same dragon, QOL is the first victim, pay is next, chimp has a mini chubb. Pay and QOL is as bad, if not worse than other places since there are no protections, FARs are all you have, the Skrew Skeduling cry of "its legal" will ring in your ears, every duty day. Coupled with the 16 hour day for guarantee, means you will make less than minimum wage.

 

[A-10_JetMech]

I think Ryan's weekly update should be changed to Ryan's monthly update. It's been almost 3 weeks since we've heard from him. Maybe he's on vacation. Doubt that. If you're going to call it weekly update at least do it or call it something else.
Also as of pay day today they still haven't posted pay stubs for viewing. There is a great lack of communication lately if you haven't noticed. Also no word on the 200's lately.
They have parked a few. Have heard the turn backs were going to be accelerated, then not, and then we are keeping some ,and then they are all going. Insanity.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

People actually waste their time reading that weekly update garbage?

 

[e=mc2]

So how long before Bendover turfs another one?
With it taking 100 hours of OE to get the pilots trained they must be arriving on the short bus!

 

[gojo]

So how long before Bendover turfs another one?
With it taking 100 hours of OE to get the pilots trained they must be arriving on the short bus!

I hope that doesn't happen. However, Pinnacle had issues before the new training program came into play. How many airframes were bent or destroyed before Colgan or Mesaba Pilots came on property?

Also I think you're exaggerating a little about 100 hours of OE. I'm not saying that there hasn't been a few, but I haven't heard of any. In any case it isn't all of them. A lot of the Colgan pilots haven't flown for a long time, and that is adding to increased OE. I will also say that after witnessing OE at other airlines, including mainline, and my own experience at Mesaba, Pinnacle/Endeavor OE instructors don't conduct OE in the same manor. And it seems that they all do it differently without any standardization. The training managers have been working hard at changing some of these philosophies, but as the saying goes, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Anyway what I'm trying to say is it's recognized that some of the problem is with the instruction and not just with the pilots

 

[1.3XVso]

I hope that doesn't happen. However, Pinnacle had issues before the new training program came into play. How many airframes were bent or destroyed before Colgan or Mesaba Pilots came on property?

Also I think you're exaggerating a little about 100 hours of OE. I'm not saying that there hasn't been a few, but I haven't heard of any. In any case it isn't all of them. A lot of the Colgan pilots haven't flown for a long time, and that is adding to increased OE. I will also say that after witnessing OE at other airlines, including mainline, and my own experience at Mesaba, Pinnacle/Endeavor OE instructors don't conduct OE in the same manor. And it seems that they all do it differently without any standardization. The training managers have been working hard at changing some of these philosophies, but as the saying goes, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Anyway what I'm trying to say is it's recognized that some of the problem is with the instruction and not just with the pilots

I still see people running to get airplanes on time. Baffles me.

 

[Clutch]

I still see people running to get airplanes on time. Baffles me.

Because your company is a "lean, mean, cost-cutting machine" and failure is not an option