Emirates Waiting For Global Recovery Before Adding Fifth Freedom Routes

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Emirates Waiting For Global Recovery Before Adding Fifth Freedom Routes

By Jens Flottau
Source: Aviation Daily

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/avd_11_20_2013_p03-03-638525.xml#

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November 20, 2013
Credit: Boeing

Emirates Airline has no immediate plans to launch a large transpacific operation using fifth freedom rights, but might pick up the idea if the world economy recovers quicker, President Tim Clark told Aviation Week at the Dubai air show.
?Aeropolitically it can be done, but now is not a good time to do it,? he said.
Emirates holds rights to fly transpacific routes to the U.S. from destinations in Japan and Singapore, among others, and Clark says transpacific routes would be the last missing piece for a global network. However, the recent industry outrage in Italy caused by the launch of a Boeing 777-300ER service between Dubai and New York via Milan has highlighted how politically sensitive Emirates? expansion can be, particularly in markets that do not even touch the Dubai hub.
Clark points out that Emirates would look into that kind of expansion more seriously and more concretely once the global economy has picked up more speed and it is ensured that a market can accommodate incumbent carriers and Emirates at the same time.
?There has to be room for everybody,? said Clark. He also says that a transpacific network would be ?an enormous operation logistically? and not something the airline could pull off at short notice.
The transpacific plans may also hinge on the availability of additional capacity at Emirates? hub at Dubai International Airport.
Of the 50 additional Airbus A380s the airline ordered at the air show, only 25 are planned to be accommodated at the hub. The second 25 would be used for replacement, unless Dubai World Central is expanded fast enough for Emirates to be able to move to the new airport in time for their arrival.
If the airline does not have space for them at its home base, they could also be used on fifth freedom routes that would not directly touch the Dubai hub.




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[General Lee]

So wait a second, some airports don't have enough room to add additional flights? And EK doesn't want the "outrage" from other airlines and countries when it comes to flying routes that don't touch DXB? Say it ain't so... I guess World domination isn't number 1 on the agenda... (Remember, there are at least 2 other Gulf carriers that are trying to achieve the same thing)


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[8sugarsugar]

I disagree with the comment that they are waiting for the "economy to improve" Emirates gets stronger after each recession, ie. gate space for sale, increased aircraft delivery rates due to weaker airlines canceling orders, surplus of experienced pilots for hire...

 

[Varmint]

So wait a second, some airports don't have enough room to add additional flights?


Bye Bye---General Lee

That is not what the article says. You're spinning again.

The article says this:

"Clark points out that Emirates would look into that kind of expansion more seriously and more concretely once the global economy has picked up more speed and it is ensured that a market can accommodate incumbent carriers and Emirates at the same time. There has to be room for everybody, said Clark. He also says that a transpacific network would be an enormous operation logistically and not something the airline could pull off at short notice."

In the context of the article, Clark is clearly talking about passenger capacity and the ability to fill airplanes, not the ability to acquire gate space or slots at airports other than DXB.

 

[General Lee]

That is not what the article says. You're spinning again.

The article says this:

"Clark points out that Emirates would look into that kind of expansion more seriously and more concretely once the global economy has picked up more speed and it is ensured that a market can accommodate incumbent carriers and Emirates at the same time. There has to be room for everybody, said Clark. He also says that a transpacific network would be an enormous operation logistically and not something the airline could pull off at short notice."

In the context of the article, Clark is clearly talking about passenger capacity and the ability to fill airplanes, not the ability to acquire gate space or slots at airports other than DXB.

I was commenting on the last paragraph:

"If the airline does not have space for them at its home base, they could also be used on fifth freedom routes that would not directly touch the Dubai hub."

Is that spin? I was "making fun" of your groups assertion that you can go anywhere, when your own hub might not have the gates available for some A380s..... That was the point, and of course you missed it... Many major airports lack space for additional flights, especially A380s. Airports often have to redo taxiways and gate or ramp areas to reinforce for the additional weight, and obviously even your hub may of have enough room. No spin there.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Varmint]

I was commenting on the last paragraph:

"If the airline does not have space for them at its home base, they could also be used on fifth freedom routes that would not directly touch the Dubai hub."

Is that spin? I was "making fun" of your groups assertion that you can go anywhere, when your own hub might not have the gates available for some A380s..... That was the point, and of course you missed it... Many major airports lack space for additional flights, especially A380s. Airports often have to redo taxiways and gate or ramp areas to reinforce for the additional weight, and obviously even your hub may of have enough room. No spin there.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You said "some airports" not DXB airport lacks space in your original post so you do not make a good clear point.

You can "make fun" all you want because this is not my group, as you put it. I just collect my paycheck and go home.

 

[Flopgut]

Quite an about face for Mr Clark from "get your house in order" to "there has to be room for everybody". Hmmmmm.

 

[sniper]

So wait a second, some airports don't have enough room to add additional flights? And EK doesn't want the "outrage" from other airlines and countries when it comes to flying routes that don't touch DXB? Say it ain't so... I guess World domination isn't number 1 on the agenda... (Remember, there are at least 2 other Gulf carriers that are trying to achieve the same thing)


Bye Bye---General Lee

Dont try to explain

the koolaide drinkers will never agree with you, but hey, as long as they dont fly those big jets to the States who cares anyway

They could and should expand in Africa and India and base pilots there

 

[sniper]

Quite an about face for Mr Clark from "get your house in order" to "there has to be room for everybody". Hmmmmm.

Indeed

 

[8sugarsugar]

Dont try to explain

the koolaide drinkers will never agree with you, but hey, as long as they dont fly those big jets to the States who cares anyway

They could and should expand in Africa and India and base pilots there

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