Emirates hub busting. UK-US

[Jetjockey]

Gotta love the Sheik's cheerleaders....go team! Allahu Akbar,......and a sim sala bid shout out to the Sahib.

 

[General Lee]

Oh so it's okay for NWA (Delta now) and United to fly form Tokyo NRT to just about every major city in Asia (Singapore, Hong Kong, Manila, Shanghai, Bangkok, list goes on) because Japan lost the war, but Emirates wanting to fly from Europe to the USA would be wrong? How about we pull our pilots out from the Japan to Asian markets before we start going off on Emirates pilots that are soon going to fly from Europe to the USA.

You mean the fifth freedom routes won after WWII? Japan didn't have airlines immediately after WWII, and allowed NW and Pan Am to have the rights while they built up their own. NWA actually had rights out of Haneda airport in downtown Tokyo, but were moved to Narita in the 70's I believe. DL actually had a Frankfurt hub also, bought through the Pan Am asset buy. (Which was later given up unfortunately). Pan Am kept the air bridge open between Frankfurt and West Berlin. What again has EK done for the US, and where could they set up a hub big enough with available gate space? I think Flyer 1015 you are just aiming for something, and totally missing.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

GL

Agreed on some of the city pairs mentioned - don't make sense.

But if you were to take CDG-LAX for example, this is one of the higher yielding routes for AF. From what I can gather on a thread on Airliners.net, EK has the rights and it is only operated by AF.

fv

Air Tahiti Nui also flies a daily A340, btw. But, most of the AF flights contain connections through CDG, as well as locals. If EK does add CDG to LAX, I am sure AF and maybe other Skyteam airlines will add flights, and clog the route. Gate space is also very limited at most major US airports, and EK adding Birmingham to Boston and Manchester to Miami shows other larger cities (in both the US and England) may be full. Those routes just seem like darts were thrown blindfolded. Even Milan to JFK is interesting, since 3 other airlines with connectability in the US already fly it. Hmmmmm.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Furloughed80]

The primary reason EK is pushing for Europe-N.A. trans-atlantic routes and Asia-N.A. trans-pac routes is because Dubai is almost maxed out as a connection point. Not in terms of capacity, but because there are a finite number of destinations in the world that you can connect through Dubai. This next step in the 'evolution' of EK will be much more challenging for them and is far from a sure thing. Their growth rate in the near future will be drastically slower than it was in the 2000's. What does this mean for your typical EK pilot? Probably a reduction in T&Cs and more abuse from EK management. As EK's need for pilots abates and while there is a long line of pilots from the world willing to accept a position at EK, there is no reason to offer a very competitive 'package' anymore.

 

[fareview]

GL

You ask the question: "What has EK done for the US?"

It is the single largest customer for the B777 in the world. Boeing employs 175,000 with another 50,000 related.

Great for American jobs

fv

 

[General Lee]

GL

You ask the question: "What has EK done for the US?"

It is the single largest customer for the B777 in the world. Boeing employs 175,000 with another 50,000 related.

Great for American jobs

fv

Along with using the ExIm Bank, undercutting US Airlines. That bank is used by "poor" countries to buy big purchases. Is the UAE a "poor" country? Would Emirates only have bought Airbus? You know, France and Germany still restrict Emirates and other Gulf carriers from unlimited frequencies at any city in those countries. No Airbus backlash apparently. Even without the financing discount, I bet EK would have bought 777s, and not used money allocated for "poor" countries.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[climbhappy]

Oh so it's okay for NWA (Delta now) and United to fly form Tokyo NRT to just about every major city in Asia (Singapore, Hong Kong, Manila, Shanghai, Bangkok, list goes on) because Japan lost the war, but Emirates wanting to fly from Europe to the USA would be wrong? How about we pull our pilots out from the Japan to Asian markets before we start going off on Emirates pilots that are soon going to fly from Europe to the USA.[/QUOTe

yeah mutha flucker yeah

 

[flyboyike]

There was a time when nobody thought Toyota or Honda (and much more recently Hyundai) would ever be a threat, because they made tiny little cars with tiny little engines. Now Hyundai offers cars with more than 400hp.

Just like some people seem to think that EK is ultimately not a threat because they pick "odd" city pairs, which they do, but I fear that's just a start.

 

[General Lee]

There was a time when nobody thought Toyota or Honda (and much more recently Hyundai) would ever be a threat, because they made tiny little cars with tiny little engines. Now Hyundai offers cars with more than 400hp.

Just like some people seem to think that EK is ultimately not a threat because they pick "odd" city pairs, which they do, but I fear that's just a start.

You have to look at airport sizes and gate availability. But, in Europe they have spread fear through all the "legacies" like Lufthansa and BA because they can take pax away through Dubai and onto SE Asia, Australia, and India/Pakistan. Protectionism is showing up in many countries because of them, and their unlimited check books. A lot depends on who is in office and where. For us in the States, local Congressmen and Senators can help defend against the Gulf PAC.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jonjuan]

For us in the States, local Congressmen and Senators can help defend against the Gulf PAC.


Bye Bye---General Lee

They can also back whomever butter their bread, dummy.

 

[climbhappy]

They can also back whomever butter their bread, dummy.

are you sure it isn't "whoever butters their bread" dummy?

 

[Denizen]

Yay! Another nail in the coffin of this once-great profession. And American pilots on this site are happily cheering on its demise.

The days of the one great profession are so far in the rear view as to be almost invisible. If the great profession ever existed, it only existed for a small few who had the right timing, everyone else ended up at YIP. Pilots like to think themselves special, as most fungible widgets do, but the "glory days" are gone. Surely you see this, the buggy whip maker raging against the on coming storm of progress.

 

[GogglesPisano]

The days of the one great profession are so far in the rear view as to be almost invisible. If the great profession ever existed, it only existed for a small few who had the right timing, everyone else ended up at YIP. Pilots like to think themselves special, as most fungible widgets do, but the "glory days" are gone. Surely you see this, the buggy whip maker raging against the on coming storm of progress.

Plenty of legacy pilots in the US still have a comfortable lifestyle -- and they didn't have to move to a 120-degree sheikdom as an ex-pat to get it.

 

[Green]

why do you give a sh#t if some US pilots choose to live in another country and fly planes? Are you advocating closing the borders? Get a grip man...

 

[General Lee]

They can also back whomever butter their bread, dummy.

And not get re-elected in their district? You are a complete idiot. I said "local" Congressmen and Senators. If enough people in one area are affected, their local representative will get involved. You are stooooopid.


Bye Bye---General Lee