Embry-Riddle

[bmpilot2003]

But in reality if a student wants to be a pilot, they most often just take the flight program because it's easy and a fast way to graduate. Young people are like electricity, they both look for the path of least resistance.

Embry-Riddle is definitely not the path of least resistance. I attended for one year and it was the BIGGEST waist of time and money. If you really want to be a pilot in can be done much faster elsewhere.

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

I would avoid ERAU just to stay out of these silly debates (and save a bit of cash).

true...i went to riddle(91 DAB) and got a business degree...didn't have the raybans or tom cruise leather jacket...but was hired at FDX in 95...and those guys are my FOs now....they still have the raybans though

 

[avbug]

I attended for one year and it was the BIGGEST waist of time and money.

If you happened to be an English major, one would certainly be inclined to agree .

Regardless of your source of education, so long as you realize that you're on the entry level rungs of the industry, you're in good shape. If you think your time spent at ERAU or any other location gives you some special insight or qualification, then that's where you'll run into trouble and paint yourself in a bad light.

The prototypical student arrogance as the student begins to learn the basics of various topics is manifest by the student proclaiming his or her mastery or this topic or that. "Why, I took a class in accident investigation, and my teacher said..." isn't what anybody wants to hear. Nobody cares what the teacher said. Class is over, welcome to the real world, glad you got something out of your education...it qualifies you to take the same low paying no-experience job as anybody else...from the guys who went to the local community college to the guys with no college.

So long as the ERAU grad (or any other college grad) can accept that fact, he or she will be fine. If he or she can't, then they'll be received as another snot-nosed kid with an atitude. Just as they should.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Embry-Riddle is definitely not the path of least resistance.

All aviation degree programs that award credit for flight courses such as graduation credit for Private Pilot, Instrument Rating, Commercial Pilot, CFI, etc., are easy degrees from that school as compared to most any other degree programs that only award credit for true academic programs. There is really little academic substance to an aviation flight degree and everyone knows it. But that's OK if all you want is a degree to fill a square so as to become an airline pilot with a major airline. Pilots just don't need any education beyond high school to move up and fly any airplane at any level. Pilots just need to fill the square for 4-year degree for the majors, not the Regionals. Nobody cares if it is from ERAU or where ever. Maybe you can fool some people into thinking an aviation flight degree is significant, but the airlines all know that all aviation degrees are BS, they just don't really care.

So unfortunately, the attraction of an easy degree is what most students go for. Like I said, people are just like electricity, they both seek the path of least resistance. Why apply yourself to obtain an engineering degree when an easy one in aviation flight is available and your get credit for the flying lessons. It’s hard to say no to that choice. Plus you’ll graduate faster so as to get the big job flying RJ'sfor fast-food worker wages. What a deal…..

 

[avbug]

That's one viewpoint, perhaps.

Then again, why pursue a degree in law when one seeks to be an electrical engineer? Why seek a degree in political science when one intends to pursue elementary education? And why pursue something outside avaition when one intends to make one's career aviation?

I fully appreciate the desire to broaden one's horizons, and that's not a bad thing. However, you appear to suggest that one pursuing a life in the cockpit would be well served by pursuing a degree in electrical engineering (for example). You further suggest that one is only pursuing the "path of least resistance" by not going after that electrical engineering degree.

If indeed that logic is sound, then an artist who obtains a degree in liberal arts is equally remiss. One pursuing a career in forestry should instead get a degree in nursing. After all, taking the degree in forest science or fire science would be taking the course of least resistance. One seeking to be a writer would waste his or her energies as an English major when a degree in aeronautical engineering or computer sciences would be far better. Non sequitor logic.

I don't begrudge anybody seeking betterment and education. However, the indivdiual who pursues his flying and bypasses that electrical engineering degree may have several thousand hours and his first jet job when the degree graduate is still flight instructing on a fresh commercial. Meanwhile, the individual who got that early start is working an accredited degree off by distance learning and already established in a career.

I have five FAA certificates, and no degree. I can't say with certainty, but I doubt that a degree in electrical engineering would benifit me much, nor influence my decision to do what I do. It doesn't interest me, it isn't my aptitude, and as valueable a skill and education though it might be, it would serve a distractor to my own course.

We each have our own path; it's not always traditional, nor should it be.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Avbug: Your points are well made. But keep in mind my closing comment:

Plus you’ll graduate faster so as to get the big job flying RJ'sfor fast-food worker wages. What a deal…..

You are proof that a degree is not necessary to fly and you know it. Unfortunately many very capable young men/women who could have really reached the highest academic levels have been railroaded into an aviation flight degree when that wasn't what they really wanted. They just wanted to learn to fly in college and get a complete college education. A flight degree is a degree of the least resistance. It is not like the examples you provided:

If indeed that logic is sound, then an artist who obtains a degree in liberal arts is equally remiss. One pursuing a career in forestry should instead get a degree in nursing. After all, taking the degree in forest science or fire science would be taking the course of least resistance. One seeking to be a writer would waste his or her energies as an English major when a degree in aeronautical engineering or computer sciences would be far better.

All of your examples are different because the alternative degrees you suggest are not easier degrees of least resistance. And those people wouldn't be qualified for what they want. Your examples are apples and oranges in relation to my example of a secondary degree for an aviation interest.

As you know there is no need for a degree in aviation to fly airplanes at any level. So I do think the best course to follow, unless a person is totally aviation crazy, is to get a degree in say journalism. That way a person may at least develop a skill in writing. Maybe they can then improve their skill on FI which might be handy.

 

[svcta]

I think that we're migrating to that point, but dollacrackho was right....if you're at a 4-year school then flying airplanes in an aviation program of any kind is not going to get you out of there any faster in my experience. And if you're going to be there for however long anyway, why not diversify yourself a little since, as we all know, aircraft operators couldn't care less what your degree is in if you have one at all.

We have seen, too, that people do often choose to get out of this industry(as with other industries, I'm sure) and probably find it advantageous to have an education outside aviation. Either to pursue small business ownership or jsut go to work for someone else for more home time, better pay, security, etc.

Education is the end game, and if your primary career path doesn't care what your degree is in why put all your eggs in that basket? Broaden yourself a bit and learn a little(or a lot) about something else.

 

[highsky]

All aviation degree programs that award credit for flight courses such as graduation credit for Private Pilot, Instrument Rating, Commercial Pilot, CFI, etc., are easy degrees from that school as compared to most any other degree programs that only award credit for true academic programs. There is really little academic substance to an aviation flight degree and everyone knows it. But that's OK if all you want is a degree to fill a square so as to become an airline pilot with a major airline.

Huh??? Do you have an aeronautical science degree? No, that's right, of course you don't because your superior chosen path involved flying at a mom and pop FBO, then getting a non-aviation degree. I think you said you wanted to get your ratings ASAP to attract chicks and build flight time, right?

How the hell do you know how hard an aeronautical science degree is? You don't have a clue. It involves much more than just flight courses. You should learn what you're talking about before you open your pie-hole. Sure, it may be relatively easier than a few other degrees, but "There is really little academic substance to an aviation flight degree and everyone knows it," is a baseless remark that only an arrogant rod could deliver.

Search the FI threads all you want. Guys with aviation degrees from ERAU or other schools don't bash those who have chosen other paths with different degrees or flight training. Most I know are humble. In fact, the ONLY pretentious and demeaning posts on here are the ones from pompous, arrogant jerks like you deprecating those who have done anything different than you.

By the way, of the 15 graduates in my Air Force Undergraduate Pilot Training class, the top 5 had Aeronautical Science degrees. One guy in my class had an aerospace engineering degree, and another had an electrical engineering degree. Both washed out. Guess those degrees of substance didn't help out too much when it came down to flying the jet.

Pilots just don't need any education beyond high school to move up and fly any airplane at any level.

Spoken from someone without an aviation degree. You obviously can't apply your degree to your chosen career. What a waste of four years. I've found an aviation degree to be quite helpful, and on a daily basis use the academic knowledge I gained during those four years.

Pilots just need to fill the square for 4-year degree for the majors, not the Regionals.

Although you may look at it as a square filling exercise, most of us look at college as a way to not only prepare us for our career, but also as a way to develop maturity, responsibility, breadth of knowledge, intellectual exploration, and HUMILITY.

Nobody cares if it is from ERAU or where ever. Maybe you can fool some people into thinking an aviation flight degree is significant, but the airlines all know that all aviation degrees are BS, they just don't really care.

Gee, I didn't realize that you're qualified to speak for the world.

My popcorn aviation degree from ERAU has helped me get every flying job I've had. All the interviewers were impressed by it.

I'm not surprised to see your pretentious, know-it-all remarks in this thread. You're the same jackass who posted this gem of a quote last year regarding Age 60:

Is this what the Vietnam vets fought for, to be insulted by smart a$$ kids that want their seat while the foreign pilots steal our livelihood?

UF

Are you still lying about being a Vietnam Vet? You didn't have the nuts to step up to the plate in that theater. Don't disgrace those vets now by pretending to be one.

I was furloughed, along with 12,000 other smart a$$ kids, after 9/11. Since then, I've flown over 400 combat hours ingressing/egressing USAF heavies in and out of Baghdad and Balad. I've lost count of how many times I've been shot at and had the $hit scared out of me.

But we don't have the aeronautical prowess, skills, or wisdom to replace you, right? God save us if pilots like you are forced to retire, and unsafe, smart a$$ kids like me have to replace you. That's about how your sales pitch to Congress sounded, right? So much so, in fact, that they even named the law as such, "The Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots Act."

You are a tool on many levels.

 

[avbug]

I was furloughed, along with 12,000 other smart a$$ kids, after 9/11. Since then, I've flown over 400 combat hours ingressing/egressing USAF heavies in and out of Baghdad and Balad. I've lost count of how many times I've been shot at and had the $hit scared out of me.

You sound like a riddle rat with an attitude. A really poor one, at that. 400 whole hours, huh? Long haul? So that means you were in the theatre for brief moments with the rest of it spent going to and from, then. How brave of you. You have everyone's undying admiration, and your fifteen minutes of fame. And 400 hours of eye-popping experience that leaves our jaws dangling all agape. You are indeed inspiring and a wonder to behold. How amazed we all are that you have been heretofore undiscovered, a true national treasure beneath our very keyboards.

Although you may look at it as a square filling exercise, most of us look at college as a way to not only prepare us for our career, but also as a way to develop maturity, responsibility, breadth of knowledge, intellectual exploration, and HUMILITY.

It didn't work very well for you, then. There's not an ounce of humility in your post, and no sign of maturity. Your intellect must have been put on hold, as your comments sound more like an arrogant, inexperienced child. Breadth of knowledge? Coming from a college course regarding "professional aeronautics?" That's the riddle arrogance....come out of a program like that thinking ou actually know something...and arrogant enough to make comments like you just did.

Grow up a little. Strike that. Grow up a lot...then slide back to the regional forum where your comments are more suitable, and you'll be among peers.

 

[highsky]

MOD INPUT - Play nice or we won't let you play at all. Just keep it clean..

You sound like a riddle rat with an attitude. A really poor one, at that. 400 whole hours, huh? Long haul? So that means you were in the theatre for brief moments with the rest of it spent going to and from, then. How brave of you. You have everyone's undying admiration, and your fifteen minutes of fame. And 400 hours of eye-popping experience that leaves our jaws dangling all agape. You are indeed inspiring and a wonder to behold. How amazed we all are that you have been heretofore undiscovered, a true national treasure beneath our very keyboards.



It didn't work very well for you, then. There's not an ounce of humility in your post, and no sign of maturity. Your intellect must have been put on hold, as your comments sound more like an arrogant, inexperienced child. Breadth of knowledge? Coming from a college course regarding "professional aeronautics?" That's the riddle arrogance....come out of a program like that thinking ou actually know something...and arrogant enough to make comments like you just did.

Grow up a little. Strike that. Grow up a lot...then slide back to the regional forum where your comments are more suitable, and you'll be among peers.

I wasn't talking to you ****. I was talking with the know-it-all who debased everyone studying aviation in college.

You have no idea what my degree involved, and you don't have the foggiest f****** idea what combat feels like or how combat flying is logged. I'm not about to waste my time explaining it to your lilly-white a******* either. I wasn't asking for your damned admiration for my combat service; I was simply explaining to the poster that the younger guys affected by Age 60 aren't exactly a bunch of inexperienced, smart a****** kids, as he put it. However, even though I wasn't addressing you in my post, you felt compelled to jump on and devalue a combat veteran's service and sacrifice...that's real f******* cute tool. I'll bet you're a real crowd pleaser on Memorial Day.

You neither went to college, nor risked your life for your country, yet you feel qualified to spit on my education and military service.

Like I said little man, Riddle graduates don't deprecate other colleges and career paths. The only people who start threads like that are people bashing Riddle.

It's kind of like homophobia. Those who feel compelled to publically bash gays are really supressing their own latent homosexual tendencies. When you bash Riddle, you just end up looking like a foolish and jealous wannabe. Try opening up a Psychology textbook for Chrissake...

I obviously struck a nerve with you since you don't have a degree from anywhere, Riddle or otherwise. My remarks weren't meant to insult those of you who didn't go to college. They were just meant to counter the poster's obvious ignorance to the benefits of a college education, and his stupid assertion that aviation degrees are worthless "paths of least resistance." Perhaps you should explore your inferiority complex with a counselor. The only person making you feel that way is the guy in the mirror.

 

[Boris Badenov]

All I can say definitively is that if you don't have any interests outside of aviation, you're going to be a miserable adult pilot no matter where you went to school

For my money, the liberal arts degree I received was worth more than an Aviation Science degree. Not because it makes me any more or less employable, but because it gave me the opportunity to study things that are IMHO a lot more important than airplanes, cool as they are.

 

[avbug]

I wasn't talking to you ****. I was talking with the know-it-all who debased everyone studying aviation in college.

You have no idea what my degree involved, and you don't have the foggiest f****** idea what combat feels like or how combat flying is logged. I'm not about to waste my time explaining it to your lilly-white a******* either. I wasn't asking for your damned admiration for my combat service; I was simply explaining to the poster that the younger guys affected by Age 60 aren't exactly a bunch of inexperienced, smart a****** kids, as he put it. However, even though I wasn't addressing you in my post, you felt compelled to jump on and devalue a combat veteran's service and sacrifice...that's real f******* cute tool. I'll bet you're a real crowd pleaser on Memorial Day.

Well how about that? Our little hero is an intellectual, too. Who'd have guessed. Did you learn all that in school? Or on the hardened battlefield of your nice, clean, air conditioned cockpit as you flew to and from "combat?"

You're just a poster child for riddle rats, aren't you?

As for age 65...deal with it. This little bit of legislation is a good thing, and has been a long time coming...coming back.

You neither went to college, nor risked your life for your country, yet you feel qualified to spit on my education and military service.

That's not exactly true, my boy. However, need not spout one's resume to make the point, nor is it necessary to throw a ticker tape parade in one's own honor. We've got you to do that, after all. You can try again when you wake up from your nap.

You sleep tight and dream all about that breadth of experience you got at riddle. Then when you've had your nap, come back and tell us all about it.

 

[highsky]

Well how about that? Our little hero is an intellectual, too. Who'd have guessed. Did you learn all that in school? Or on the hardened battlefield of your nice, clean, air conditioned cockpit as you flew to and from "combat?"

You're just a poster child for riddle rats, aren't you?

As for age 65...deal with it. This little bit of legislation is a good thing, and has been a long time coming...coming back.

Dude, 6198 posts on FI?

You seriously need to get a life.

Better yet, turn off your computer and enroll in some college classes. Get an education. Cherish the freedom that some of us step up to the plate to guarantee for you. You obviously don't know how much sacrifice or risk is required toward that task, judging from your foregoing sophomoric and inaccurate remarks.

You're a pathetic, bitter little man.

I'm done with you. It's Friday night, and I'm going out of town with my girlfriend all weekend.

Meanwhile, you'll be glued to this ridiculous website, wasting even more of your misguided life, banging out your 6199th post, trying to get a large computer audience to listen to you, because in the real world, no one obviously does.

Out.

 

[avbug]

Dude,

Dude? Dude? Couldn't your riddle education buy you better than that? Please, you're an officer and a...well, apparently an officer and a dude.

It's Friday night, and I'm going out of town with my girlfriend all weekend.

Ah, mercy date. While you may have fallen flat on intellect, at least charity is still alive and well.

It's afternoon, incidentally. Not night. You could be forgiven for the mistake, having just arisn from your nap, of course.

So far as being online...YOU'RE here...throwing a little tantrum. Kettle, meet the pot. And yes, you're black. At least now you know.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Highsky: You really are a piece of work and a disgrace to ERAU, that is certain. You can not even make a reasonable post without profanity. (Ref: your post #30.) Is that not a disgrace to ERAU, and to the USAF? Aren't you an officer? Yet your language is that of a vulgar uneducated person. That does qualify you as a disgrace and an embarrassment, does it not? What do you think the Director of the ERAU Aviation program would say if he saw the type of language you use, or how about your CO? What would he say?

My posts have never said I was a Vietnam veteran or that I had served in Vietnam. In fact, I have on several opportunities posted that I did everything I could to avoid going to Vietnam, just as our last two presidents did, and most everyone else who might get drafted to be shipped off to Vietnam. Those that served in Vietnam have been betrayed over an over by this country, i.e., Kerry and Gore, to say nothing of the age 60 pilots that have been discriminated against on the age-60 issue by those like you from the "get out of my seat" crowd. That has been your way of saluting those veterans; by forcing them to lose their jobs so guys like you could take them. That's real respect for those veterans. You are a disgrace as an officer with your attitude. I'm really surprised you haven't been discovered.

And regarding your example of the ERAU graduates doing better in pilot training than the others with the real degrees: That would be expected since your group mostly all had a significant amount of prior flight training. Your group had a very large head start. I would only guess that you needed that extra help, because without it you would have probably washed out, especially on account of your attitude and foul mouth.

So have you changed even one person's opinion in a positive way about their plans to attend ERAU? NO YOU HAVEN'T. Your post has been a total failure that has only caused others to stay away for ERAU. No one wants to attend a school if they think it’s full of people like you. So your post has been a failure, which is certainly true.

Please give the airlines a break and make the military a career if they will keep you.

Oh yes, while you have so confidently posted that I had leaned to fly at an FBO, the fact is that I learned to fly in a University flight program. And for your information, I know all about such programs. I did have my son learn to fly at an FBO before college. He was light years ahead of other students and worked for 4-years as a CFI while in school. I know from experience that there is no reason to learn to fly in a university program if you can complete flight training while in high school.

Just for the record, I recommend an aviaton degree for those who understand it's limitations. It is an easy way to get a fast 4-year degree; and it's certainly an enjoyable degree program. If that's a young person goal, then go for it. It will work and it will get that airline job. And it will qualify for a military pilot slot, if that person only has enough education to get through OTS.

One final point regarding ERAU. Aren't the admission requirements for the fligh program: A warm body and a big check for about $250,000? Take my word on this, there are many other schools for flight training and college that are half as expensive and just as good or better.

 

[vetrider]

I read the bios of the Blue Angels team once many years ago, and remember seeing a few degrees that I wasn't expecting. Degrees such as agriculture, forestry and such from less than ivy league schools, so to speak. Somehow those folks did all right(an understatement if there ever were one) without mighty ERAU.

There are only about fifty thousand ways to go about it, just a random sampling of any airlines pilots will show that. Well some airlines more than others, but my point is basically the same.

Another invaluable aid is a mentor, someone who knows that airlines look for specific things, and passes that on. A good mentor can in and of itself literally substitute for an ERAU type education in my opinion. In fact I believe that no college can come close to providing what the right mentor can.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Vetrider is right on. Listen to his man. He would make a top-notch mentor.

Highsky, on the other hand, is hot-head and a proven failure as documented in post #35. He wasted his education by repeating his aviation education in the USAF. He should have been first in his class but he was down the list, while others with no prior training probably finished ahead of him, such as the types of pilots who make the Thunderbirds and Blue Angles. As Vetrider sez, many of those pilots have degrees in agriculture & forestery. It certainly doesn't hurt to attend ERAU but it's just not necessary. Any other aviation school where you learn to fly is just as good. The only problem with ERAU is that they have people with attitudes like Highsky. Strangely, I have seen this before from that school. What is it about ERAU that attracts such types? Can anyone answer this?

If you want to do well in military training it is a sort of insurance policy against washing out to have prior training to include at least a private pilot certificate with an instrument rating and a 20-hour acrobatic course in a Pitts or better yet, a Super Decathlon, to learn real airmanship. Aerobatics, other than a spin or two, is something that isn't even taught at ERAU. Students at the Daytona campus can join a sport aviation club to learn some acro in a Pitts, and I applaud them for this, but only about 1% of the flight students take advantage of this opportunity. Personally, I think the ERAU instructors (as well as most CFI's) are afraid of acrobatics because they have no such training themselves. Because acrobatics are an unknown to the instructors, they discourage the students from learning acro with telling BS stories of the danger of such training, including tailwheel training.

So does a student who wants to be a professional pilot, civilian or military, need ERAU? Certainly not. Any flight training anywhere, college or FBO, plus a 4-year degree from any school in any major is fine. Aviation degrees are the path of least resistance if you want that path. It’s your choice. And why not if you’re positive certain that all you will ever want is to fly? That is OK in my view. And if I were to recommend a selected aviation major, I would recommend one that included training for an A&P license. A pilot candidate who graduates college with a Commercial, CFI and an A&P is a total airman, prepared for a career in aviation. Just don't drop out of the profession later and decide to do a career change.

 

[highsky]

or how about your CO? What would he say?

He has been one of my closest friends. I'll be sure to let him know that you're disappointed.

I did everything I could to avoid going to Vietnam, just as our last two presidents did, and most everyone else who might get drafted to be shipped off to Vietnam. Those that served in Vietnam have been betrayed over an over by this country

The Vietnam vets who sacrificed for their country were betrayed by guys like you who spoke out against the war, encouraging the enemy, and hiding when your country needed you.

the age 60 pilots that have been discriminated against on the age-60 issue by those like you from the "get out of my seat" crowd.

The same crowd you were in until you became a senior captain.

Hypocrite.

That has been your way of saluting those veterans; by forcing them to lose their jobs so guys like you could take them. That's real respect for those veterans.

I'm a combat veteran too. Does that mean when I'm a 64 year old 747 captain, all the junior pilots are required to forego their own career advancement to "salute" me by supporting Age 70 legislation?

You are a disgrace as an officer with your attitude. I'm really surprised you haven't been discovered.

A draft dodger lecturing a U.S. field grade officer and 5 year combat veteran on officership...

Your arrogance knows no bounds.

And regarding your example of the ERAU graduates doing better in pilot training than the others with the real degrees: That would be expected since your group mostly all had a significant amount of prior flight training. Your group had a very large head start. I would only guess that you needed that extra help, because without it you would have probably washed out, especially on account of your attitude and foul mouth.

I never would have guessed that a 60 year old retired airline captain could say something so juvenile.

Let me guess...your dad can beat up my dad too, right?

So have you changed even one person's opinion in a positive way about their plans to attend ERAU? NO YOU HAVEN'T. Your post has been a total failure that has only caused others to stay away for ERAU.

I see you're an expert on what everyone thinks. You and my ex-wife would get along well.

More importantly, I'm not trying to sell ERAU to anyone. If someone asks the question, I'll answer. It's a good school, but I couldn't care less what anyone else chooses.

But when I read ignorant posts like yours that spew inaccurate nonsense about the school or the benefits and value of its program, I have to step in a set the record straight. I'm not criticizing your school or life's choices; why are you trying to devalue mine?

Please give the airlines a break and make the military a career if they will keep you.

Sorry to disappoint you Old Man. Like I said, I'm already at a large U.S. cargo airline. You know...the one where everyone wants to work.

Oh yes, while you have so confidently posted that I had leaned to fly at an FBO, the fact is that I learned to fly in a University flight program.

go to an Aviation college after leaning to fly elsewhere and study whatever you want but not necessarily aviation. Go to the aviation college/university so you can work in your profession as a CFI at that school, with all the benefits of leadership, experience in aviation, networking, flying teams, student aviation organizations and women.

Personally, that's what I did.

You were saying...?

Just for the record, I recommend an aviaton degree for those who understand it's limitations. It is an easy way to get a fast 4-year degree

Only someone without an aviation degree would say something so stupid. You look like a fool when you pipe off about things about which you know nothing.

Empty drums beat the loudest.

And it will qualify for a military pilot slot

An aviation degree does not in itself guarantee a military pilot slot. MUCH more is considered for this very competitive privilege. Then again, I wouldn't expect a draft dodger to know about such things.

if that person only has enough education to get through OTS.

That's cute. So now you're marginalizing those with an aviation degree as barely having the education required to get through OTS, and not being capable of much else.

You're pathetic.

One final point regarding ERAU. Aren't the admission requirements for the fligh program: A warm body and a big check for about $250,000?

Why do you waste people's time with mistatements like that?

I'm guessing you bullied people for sport in junior high. Those types never grow out of it. Now you're trying in vain to develop a pilot clique exclusive of schools and degree programs you've deemed unworthy.

You're a disgrace. Re-enroll in junior high Pops.

He wasted his education by repeating his aviation education in the USAF. He should have been first in his class but he was down the list, while others with no prior training probably finished ahead of him

Perfect example of my foregoing point.

How do you know how I did?

Since you brought it up...

--Valedictorian, ERAU, B.S. Aeronautical Science
--1994 U.S. Navy #1 selection worldwide for OCS/active duty flying slot
--1994 U.S. Air Force Reserve #1 selection worldwide for OTS/Reserve flying slot
--1996 (lowest pilot production year in history of USAF; i.e. most competitive) USAF Undergraduate Pilot Training class rank #1
--Class rank #1 in all USAF follow on flight training
--Hired at NWA early with ZERO multiengine PIC
--Currently flying with a large U.S. cargo airline that hires just 1 out of 200 applicants

Nah...that silly aviation degree didn't help me out much, did it.

Like you said, the military and airlines don't care about ERAU or aviation degrees. Pssst...you forgot to tell them that.

If you want to do well in military training it is a sort of insurance policy against washing out to have prior training to include at least a private pilot certificate with an instrument rating and a 20-hour acrobatic course in a Pitts or better yet, a Super Decathlon, to learn real airmanship.

FYI...Unless an incoming student has 1200 hours or more of previous flying, USAF UPT instructors can't distinguish him from a zero time guy. UPT is unlike any civilian training. I've seen plenty of Commercial pilots wash out of UPT. I even knew one with an ATP.

I agree with you that getting some preliminary aerobatic training is a smart move.

Personally, I think the ERAU instructors (as well as most CFI's) are afraid of acrobatics because they have no such training themselves. Because acrobatics are an unknown to the instructors, they discourage the students from learning acro with telling BS stories of the danger of such training

Huh??? Another over-reaching, inaccurate statement. I've known MANY more ERAU instructors than you sir. What qualifes you to make such an assertion?

So does a student who wants to be a professional pilot, civilian or military, need ERAU? Certainly not. Any flight training anywhere, college or FBO, plus a 4-year degree from any school in any major is fine.

Agreed; however, it no doubt advanced my career, and many others.

Aviation degrees are the path of least resistance if you want that path.

Again with the nonsense, spoken from someone without an aviation degree.

How do you expect anyone to take your advice seriously when you come across as such an arrogant, self-righteous know-it-all?

 

[JAFI]

Quote: "How do you expect anyone to take your advice seriously when you come across as such an arrogant, self-righteous know-it-all?"



The pot calling the kettle what?

Incomming............

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

The previous post by JAFI regarding HIGHSKY's post is "Best of the Year!" Thank you, someone has to tell him.

Great career but I notice the part about your ex-wife. How many were there? Next, how many will there be? More to come I would expect. I hope you are able to prevent these personal problems, but it's your attitude that seems to be the problem: It's only about you. Anyone can see why you were a failure in that relationship. Does that tell you anything? I and others must dispute your high opinion of yourself and we've never even met you.

Highsky:

I agree with you that getting some preliminary aerobatic training is a smart move

At least we agree on one thing.