Embraer sees Delta order

[COpilot]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Embraer-sees-chances-of-Delta-rb-1605351515.html?x=0&.v=1

How many 70, 90, 110 seats airplanes can Delta connection carriers fly? Are these replacements for those airlines, or MD88 type replacement aircraft?

 

[Fubijaakr]

If DAL buys E190s, those airplanes MUST go to the mainline, not the regionals. Its time for this constant outsourcing of pilot jobs to end.

 

[General Lee]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Embraer-sees-chances-of-Delta-rb-1605351515.html?x=0&.v=1

How many 70, 90, 110 seats airplanes can Delta connection carriers fly? Are these replacements for those airlines, or MD88 type replacement aircraft?

There is a limit to how many 70 seat or larger planes DCI can get, and they are almost at that limit. So, I would guess that this could be an E195 order for mainline to replace DC9s? Maybe? If so, that would be good news. Payrates for that and the E190 are already in the contract, although they were negotiated prior to JB getting their latest raise. We'll see....



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[LearLove]

can you post the Delta E190 size rates?

thanks

 

[porpilot]

E190 2011 rate FO:

Year 1-56
Year 12-76

E195
year 1-56
Year 12-89

 

[bri5150]

There is a limit to how many 70 seat or larger planes DCI can get, and they are almost at that limit. So, I would guess that this could be an E195 order for mainline to replace DC9s? Maybe? If so, that would be good news. Payrates for that and the E190 are already in the contract, although they were negotiated prior to JB getting their latest raise. We'll see....



Bye Bye--General Lee

A couple of honest questions. Aren't the DCI carriers already maxed out with the 6 that went to Compass and the 6 that went to Republic recently? Also, does the number of 70 seaters for DCI go up when Delta adds 90 seaters to their fleet? I hope Delta gets the 90 seaters and that's it. I need to get the hell out of Pinnacoloba...FAST.

 

[johnsonrod]

I'd watch for Bombardier's response - the C-Series has gotten off to a slow start and I am betting Bombardier is ready to make some deals with guarantees... A big C-Series order (probably two sizes - 100 seater and 149 seater ranges) from Delta would be a HUGE deal for Bombardier and they want a marquis name like Delta to spur other orders down the line...

C-Series info:

http://cseries.com/en/#/cseries/technology/postepilotageevolue/advancedflightdeckfeatures/

and

http://cseries.com/en/#/home/

Not sure if it will operate as predicted in terms of performance, but it looks like a nice airplane. Another FBW aircraft (the Northwest guys will like the sidesticks). Just watch Bombardier try to negotiate some customer-favorable deals...

 

[jynxyjericho]

If DAL buys E190s, those airplanes MUST go to the mainline, not the regionals. Its time for this constant outsourcing of pilot jobs to end.

Here's hoping you're actually sincere and at least 6000 pilots agree at Delta.

Of course, we at the regionals will all just plan on seeing those 190's here in about 2 years after you get your 25% pay raise and that pension they'll rob you of 2-4 years.

I'm betting BigSky is resurrected for the 190 flying.

 

[General Lee]

A couple of honest questions. Aren't the DCI carriers already maxed out with the 6 that went to Compass and the 6 that went to Republic recently? Also, does the number of 70 seaters for DCI go up when Delta adds 90 seaters to their fleet? I hope Delta gets the 90 seaters and that's it. I need to get the hell out of Pinnacoloba...FAST.

I'm pretty sure that for DCI to get any more 70 seaters above the current cap, Delta would have to get a lot more planes first. There are MD90s on the way, and I guess there would have to be a lot of E190s ordered and delivered first before DCI could get anymore. Guys like Bill Lumberg or ACL might know the exact number, but that is what I believe is correct. A lot more mainline planes before anymore DCI planes over their cap.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Here's hoping you're actually sincere and at least 6000 pilots agree at Delta.

Of course, we at the regionals will all just plan on seeing those 190's here in about 2 years after you get your 25% pay raise and that pension they'll rob you of 2-4 years.

I'm betting BigSky is resurrected for the 190 flying.

Um, NO on that bet. Thanks to huge profits (via Bag fees too), that is very unlikely. And no new pensions, just ones kept by FNWA pilots and a DC fund for the rest.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flying the Line]

Delta pilots want Southwest Pay and to get it they will give up scope for 99 seaters. Count on it General.

 

[johnsonrod]

Delta pilots want Southwest Pay and to get it they will give up scope for 99 seaters. Count on it General.

For their 737s... More for anything else with more seats.

I doubt the scope relief this time around. One big difference: bankruptcy will no longer be the driving issue.

 

[Muskycat]

Delta pilots want Southwest Pay and to get it they will give up scope for 99 seaters. Count on it General.

The 2001 Delta pilots contract was above and beyond SWA pay. So no, they don't want SWA pay. Delta Pilots want what they had!!!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Guys like Bill Lumberg or ACL might know the exact number, but that is what I believe is correct. A lot more mainline planes before anymore DCI planes over their cap.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I think the number is 781 or 783 mainline jets.....before they can acquire more 76 seaters and we are down on that number by like 12 airframes I believe. More DC-9's are being parked than we are getting MD-90s....so the net number will drift down some.

DCI is at the limit, the way I remember it.

Scope is universal now....I think everybody gets it. We are being squeezed from both sides of the seniority list. Richard and Northwest never met a codeshare they didn't like.

 

[General Lee]

Delta pilots want Southwest Pay and to get it they will give up scope for 99 seaters. Count on it General.

No, scope is a non-issue for most. Most FDAL and FNWA pilots have seen what RJs have done to this career, and a lot of that was added in the BK process. I disagree. And, allowing the Airtran guys to get Southwest pay will help the DL pilots' cause.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I think the number is 781 or 783 mainline jets.....before they can acquire more 76 seaters and we are down on that number by like 12 airframes I believe. More DC-9's are being parked than we are getting MD-90s....so the net number will drift down some.

DCI is at the limit, the way I remember it.

Scope is universal now....I think everybody gets it. We are being squeezed from both sides of the seniority list. Richard and Northwest never met a codeshare they didn't like.

I agree. Scope is important dealing with RJs, Joint Ventures, and code-shares. All of them need to be watched and have set limits, and that will be important in upcoming negotiations as well.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

For their 737s... More for anything else with more seats.

I doubt the scope relief this time around. One big difference: bankruptcy will no longer be the driving issue.

You are correct. Not as many external pressures this time around, at least not yet. Higher profits always help, too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dicko]

You are correct. Bye Bye--General Lee

At the slightest hint of praise from The General ..... Jonsonrod disappears into his parents bathroom for some 'me time'.

 

[General Lee]

At the slightest hint of praise from The General ..... Jonsonrod disappears into his parents bathroom for some 'me time'.

Jealous? I bet you are. Your name is very appropriate.


Bye Bye---General lee

 

[johnsonrod]

At the slightest hint of praise from The General ..... Jonsonrod disappears into his parents bathroom for some 'me time'.

Just thinking of you, dicko.

 

[Jar Jar]

..allowing the Airtran guys to get Southwest pay will help the DL pilots' cause.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yea and your subsidy of the concessionary Frontier tards should allow them to offset that.

 

[Tanker Clown]

For their 737s... More for anything else with more seats.

I doubt the scope relief this time around. One big difference: bankruptcy will no longer be the driving issue.

Right....they won't use bankruptcy as an issue...until they go into CH11 again. I seriously doubt that any new contract you get will be better than what you already have. Your mgt knows how weak you guys are. Youll take no raises or even take cuts in return for some pie on the sky promose. You guys will fold like a cheap suit on scope as well. It's in your DNA. You guys wrote the book on giving flying that wasn't good enough for Song away. Shoot, you guys can work a sweet deal to give away flying and pay at the same time.

BTW, did your union help the Frontier guys negotiate their latest concessions? Whenever I hear of pilots lowering the bar, usually a Delta pilot is involved.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

This message is hidden because Tanker Clown is on your ignore list.

^^^^^^^^^^^^The best "post" yet ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[BentOver]

No, scope is a non-issue for most. Most FDAL and FNWA pilots have seen what RJs have done to this career, and a lot of that was added in the BK process. I disagree. And, allowing the Airtran guys to get Southwest pay will help the DL pilots' cause.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Well it's about F$$$in time....Only took 10-15 years to realize scope was bad....

 

[Flyer1015]

The 2001 Delta pilots contract was above and beyond SWA pay. So no, they don't want SWA pay. Delta Pilots want what they had!!!

The days of flying a 777 for $320/hr are over. At least in the US.

 

[PuffDriver]

The days of flying a 777 for $320/hr are over. At least in the US.

Spoken by the rj pilot

 

[johnsonrod]

Excerpt from an article referring to Anderson's interest in fleet planning:


Mr Dechavanne said an obvious choice for Delta would be the Bombardier CSeries 300 saying that, unlike its competitors such as the A319NEO, is designed specifically for the mission now done by the DC-9s. He rejected the Embraer EJets as too small for the seating capacity Delta is trying to replace, unless, of course, it wanted to reduce seats in favour of increased frequency. Mr Dechevanne also indicated that with the move to dual-class seating, airlines are opting for larger aircraft than even the E-195. He also said that the 737-700 was not selling well and airlines were opting for the larger 737-800.

He suggested that the CS-300 may be part of a solution that also included the neo since the two use the Pratt & Whitney PurePower geared turbofan engine and added the 737NG was not as modern for the 2013 delivery date. The A320neo would also provide commonality with its current A320 fleet which would reduce training costs. On the other hand, Boeing is positioned to be able to undercut everyone else’s price on its economies of scale.

 

[Lucky Strike]

FWIW...heard from Richard Anderson himself, and several V.P.'s that they don't like the geared engines on the C-Series and are not interested in them. This was Feb of last yr. Of course, with these guys, you never know.

 

[Jar Jar]

The days of flying a 777 for $320/hr are over. At least in the US.

You're right, the days of flying a 777 for $370/hr are right around the corner, and in the US! [Also watch for 160 seat scope]

 

[MoroniMetro]

There is a limit to how many 70 seat or larger planes DCI can get, and they are almost at that limit. So, I would guess that this could be an E195 order for mainline to replace DC9s? Maybe? If so, that would be good news. Payrates for that and the E190 are already in the contract, although they were negotiated prior to JB getting their latest raise. We'll see....



Bye Bye--General Lee

There used to only be 50 seat scope, but senior wide-body guys always sell out narrow-body guys. The E 190/95 will not be any different. Do you remember when SKYW and PNCL got the CR9? Come on General I thought you have been around awhile, or at least have a clue?