Emb 170-175 and Skywest Pay

[XPOO]

Probably not 5 years, but yes, you're right there would be a negotiating period. But the end result is predictable due to the precedent ASA set. Negotiations are based on precedent, especially with the same parent company.

Kind of like the precident Comair set? We all see how well that one worked out.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Kind of like the precident Comair set? We all see how well that one worked out.

Actually, they did set the precedent... right until they took a pay cut in the middle of our negotiations, hoping to get the E175. Yeah, I'd say that didn't work out too good for them. The bankruptcy was besides the point.

 

[XPOO]

Touche', but keeping cost low but competitive helps give SkyWest an advantage when new flying comes up for bid. Which in turn keeps the pilot group employed. You can at least agree that it is a very hard scale to keep balanced.

 

[BoilerUP]

You can at least agree that it is a very hard scale to keep balanced.

If he can't, I can...especially in the contract lift business.

That said, while you don't want to bankrupt your company its also not the job of the pilot group to subsidize their company's growth or financial success.

The bottom line is unless all engines are under warranty, pilots control more actual and potential cost to the company with the power levers than they'll EVER earn in monthly credit.

 

[XPOO]

Well, I am with you on this one, I think BS failed on this proposal. If you vote it down, do you think the company will counter or say "see ya next year?"

 

[John Pennekamp]

If he can't, I can...especially in the contract lift business.

That said, while you don't want to bankrupt your company its also not the job of the pilot group to subsidize their company's growth or financial success.

The bottom line is unless all engines are under warranty, pilots control more actual and potential cost to the company with the power levers than they'll EVER earn in monthly credit.

I'll agree. You need to balance the scale. That means not rape the company, and not subsidize the company.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Touche', but keeping cost low but competitive helps give SkyWest an advantage when new flying comes up for bid. Which in turn keeps the pilot group employed. You can at least agree that it is a very hard scale to keep balanced.

We shall see. Right now, ASA isn't slated for any "growth opportunities" (at least that's what they're saying). We'll see which one suddenly gets more airplanes.

Oh, BTW, the E175/190 rate on the SKW pay proposal was nothing but a carrot to grease its approval. Don't expect to actually get any. We've seen that so many times...

 

[XPOO]

Probably, since pay proposals usually get pushed through in order to set up a deal in the works. But again, it could all be smoke and mirrors. Perhaps the pay raise to the EMBs and the first year pay will sway enough vote to push this through. Smart on management's part, no question there.

 

[viper548]

Oh, BTW, the E175/190 rate on the SKW pay proposal was nothing but a carrot to grease its approval. Don't expect to actually get any. We've seen that so many times...

If the pay is going to be the same, who cares if skywest gets the E-170/175? I'm not gonna go through 2 months of training just to get paid the same

 

[viper548]

A quick glance at the seniority list show about 150 pilots are at the top of the payscale and would get about a $5/hr raise. About half of the group won't vote

 

[John Pennekamp]

If the pay is going to be the same, who cares if skywest gets the E-170/175? I'm not gonna go through 2 months of training just to get paid the same

At least someone gets it. But too many afflicted with SJS will salivate at the chance to fly "such a big plane". They may even be willing to take a cut for it.

 

[viper548]

At least someone gets it. But too many afflicted with SJS will salivate at the chance to fly "such a big plane". They may even be willing to take a cut for it.

True. It's essentially the same plane we have now, just a bit roomier inside and the engines are under the wings. No doubt there will be a bunch of people lining up to fly it at any price

 

[John Pennekamp]

True. It's essentially the same plane we have now, just a bit roomier inside and the engines are under the wings. No doubt there will be a bunch of people lining up to fly it at any price

But you're not a real pilot until you fly an airplane with engines under the wings!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

with oil at almost $100, you're lucky they aren't proposing pay cuts for everyone.

I am voting/proposing a pay cut for the dickscratch group, since the company already gets subsidized by the state for hiring the retarded and letting them play with computers and call them dispatchers.
PBR

 

[screech]

I am voting/proposing a pay cut for the dickscratch group, since the company already gets subsidized by the state for hiring the retarded and letting them play with computers and call them dispatchers.
PBR

Hey come on now. There are a few great Dispatchers. Some are pretty clueless but there are some that are really on top of it.

 

[XPOO]

I am voting/proposing a pay cut for the dickscratch group, since the company already gets subsidized by the state for hiring the retarded and letting them play with computers and call them dispatchers.
PBR

Calm down, they are getting the RJ fitted right now to allow you to wear your helmet while you fly.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey come on now. There are a few great Dispatchers. Some are pretty clueless but there are some that are really on top of it.

"few" is the operative concept here!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

But you're not a real pilot until you fly an airplane with engines under the wings!

darn right!

 

[Truckdriver]

So a 10 year 900 CA will get about $82/hr if the raise is about 3%. Delta has a 10 year CA rate on the CRJ 900 that is $97. Why don't you say no and maybe some day some of you can fly the 900's as Delta pilots.

 

[ROSWELL41]

So much for sharing in the company's success. I'd rather leave the pay rates alone rather than be insulted by this proposal. And don't believe for a second that any E-jet is coming on property.