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How does EJM work. I know its the charter and AC management side of things. Some allow you to commute and work 7/7. Do those people have to reside in certain locations like Netjets? And do the have a set pay scale or can you negotiate? You don't here much about it on this forum.
 

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You don't here much about it on this forum.

Hear is what I know about them.

You live where the plane is based.

Pay depends on aircraft and your experience, but is fairly standardized across types.

Schedule is dependent on how the airplane is staffed. They usually have 2 CPTs and 1 FO.

The stability of the job is not the best, as all the airplanes are managed, I believe. The airplane goes, you go.

This is all from flying with former EJM pilots.
 

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It most likely depends on the owner. EJM has different levels of service for their owners. They have a few of their own aircraft flown by their own pilots who are all in LUK (I think). They have owner aircraft crewed by EJM pilots, who recieve EJM benifits, salery etc. They have charter managed aircraft that the owner does the crew hiring and provides benifits and salery and work rules, sometime EJM will refer pilots too these spot for interviews. Ultimately it just depends on what the owner of the managed aircraft wants. They do ask that owners do at least 100 hours of charter a year on top of their own flying. In any of these operations I do not see how one would be able to commute. although there might be an owner run operation that would allow for it.

I used too work for the third type of operation. It was a good gig while it lasted. 3 pilots, made our own schedule, the senior pilot had option to take trips or not, based on the owners desires.

Other than the different set-ups above I believe EJM is just like any other outfit that provides supplimental life to brokers and fractionals except they only work for certain fractionals obviously. In addition I believe their relationship gets them called before anyone else if NJA needs a plane. But, I'm just guessing on this last part here.
 

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The current ad for a beechjet pilot says 7/7 schedule and can commute.
 

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psysicx,

That is a good question, I have seen the commuting offer in some of their ads also. I would assume that those aircraft are not owner aircraft or managed aircraft but used to cover flights picked up through brokers or so on. Does EJM do any of NetJets flying?

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Yes they do a lot of flying for Netjets and I would guess that some of the pilots employed directly by EJM for their own aircraft could commute if that is what they are offering. Most likely they keep the airplane on the road all the time and fly you back and forth from it.
 

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Its a completely seperate company. I do not think their pilots fall under the union if thats what your wondering. I could be wrong though.
 

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Yeah thats what I though. So does EJM provide a backup for Netjets? Its sounds like the samething just a different name. Same schedule and you can commute. I wonder what airports you can use
 

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Psy,

Knowing what I do/have over the years about Executive Jet Management (the aircraft management arm of Executive Jet Aviation) if you are allowed to commute, you purchase your own tickets because you will have an assigned base. You want to live somewhere else, you live somewhere else you live somewhere else and its up to you to be at work when and where you are suppose to.

Nothing like the Netjets gateway system where you have scheduled work days and only god, and maybe the CMH/Casino, know where you assigned airplane is gonna be.

TransMach
 

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Oh okay but this says it right on the ad.


Executive Jet Management, a Berkshire Hathaway, Inc. company and industry leader
in aircraft management, maintenance and charter services is looking for Hawker
400XP pilots to join our flight operations department. This position will be under FAR
part 135 and fly a 7 on 7 off schedule. Pilots can commute to base location for this
account.

Must meet minimum qualification for PIC position:

Current First Class Medical
Total Time 3500
MEL 1500
PIC 2000
PIC MEL 500
Instrument 300
Jet 750
Jet PIC 500
ATP
Hawker 400XP Type Rating desired

Must meet minimum qualification for SIC position:

Current First Class Medical
Total Time 2500
MEL 1500
PIC 500
PIC MEL 500
Instrument 150
ATP
Hawker 400XP Type Rating desired

Executive Jet provides a competitive salary package, including 401(k), medical, dental,
and vision insurance.
To apply for this position you can apply on line or send your resume along with salary
requirements to:

Executive Jet Management
Attention: Human Resources
4556 Airport Road
Cincinnati, Ohio 45226
FAX to 1-513-979-6725
Or send via email to resumes@ejmjets.com
 

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"Pilots CAN commute to the base location for this account" doesn't say anything about providing transportation. It simply doesn't say "Must live within XXX minutes of XXX airport."

Big difference. Not the same thing as Netjets, not at all, as your previous, misinformed, post states.

TransMach
 

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EJM has both full managed and charter managed A/C.

Full managed your pay, schedule, everything comes from EJM. You are basically an employee of EJM. You cannot turn down trips.

Charter managed, the airplane is on EJM's certificate, but EJM must call owner for permission to charter the airplane for specific trips, these trips can be turned down for any reason. Pilots are hired, payed, and managed by owner of aircraft and pilots generally consider themselves an employee of aircraft owner rather than EJM.

EJM does alot of trips for NetJets owners, and yes, they are first in line when NetJets cannot fulfill a commitment due to broke airplane or whatever. These trips are flown 135 by EJM.

I would guess that the ad for the EJM pilot is a charter managed aircraft that has that schedule worked out among its current pilots, as far as the travel goes, who knows, I guess the only way to find out is to inquire into the job.
 

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psysicx, thank you for not asking about the pay and QOL.
 

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The current ad for a beechjet pilot says 7/7 schedule and can commute.


RANT MODE ON
Hey numbskull,

Don't ask an open ended question and then sharpshoot people for trying to help you out. Drop a effin dime in a phone and call the effin company. If you are going to be a lazy sumbich and ask question after question on this board, while contributing nothing of value, then expect nothing but misleading and false information from me from now on!

RANT MODE OFF

The schedule and the commuting are subject to the owner's needs, requirements and the contract with EJM. It only applies for QUALIFIED pilots that actually fly for a living.
 

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I think the position that was advertised with the 7 and 7 and being allowed to live where you want was for the planned scheduled service out of Chicago. I think that the new TA that the International Brotherhood put out has put a stop to that.
 
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Folks, it's my belief that the ad being discussed in this thread is for a new EJM "float" operation.

EJM had a float operation for years up until about 2 years ago. They operated a fleet of Falcons that were dedicated to backup lift for NetJets. The float was disbanded when the need seemed to dry up. Why it's being started again now, and how the scope clause of the new NJA TA will effect those plans, I don't know.

While the comments on the typical flying job at EJM have been mostly on the mark, they don't apply to the float job being advertised. The float is a different animal from the rest of EJM's managed accounts.
 
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