Easiest 737 rating

[Paul McCartney]

I thought it was a fair question. Nevermind.

 

[Falconjet]

I wouldn't touch that post with a ten foot pole.

Be very careful what you ask for and what you say in response.

FJ

 

[Slice121]

Call SWA directly with your name and SSN...I'm sure they'll tell ya where to go!

 

[REK]

The fastest and the cheapest when I did it was FTI in Denver. Great instructors and UAL facilities. If you need your type I would highly recommend you give them a call and see what they offer.

 

[murano]

The fastest and the cheapest when I did it was FTI in Denver. Great instructors and UAL facilities. If you need your type I would highly recommend you give them a call and see what they offer.

I second that. Go to FTI. Best price too.

 

[FDXer]

Next question...what's the best way to get from Kabul to Denver?

 

[AirBadger]

I can get you type rated in a 737 easy. PayPal me $6000 and I'll send you a comprehensive simulator developed by Microsoft.

 

[XBOEINGDRVR]

I will sell you mine for a rock bottom price of $2500.00. Send me a check and well figure out how to get it on your certificate.

 

[Hagar17]

Why can't you just write a check to SWA for $6500?

What's the difference?

 

[JohnnyP]

Next question...what's the best way to get from Kabul to Denver?

Kabul-Dubai (Kam Air or Ariana)
Dubai-JFK (Emirates)
JFK-? (Your choice)

 

[FR8mastr]

Why can't you just write a check to SWA for $6500?

What's the difference?

Because that would be pay for training :laugh: :laugh:

And besides that I think its against the law to say anything about SW or JB on these boards, just watch the reation that will most likely follow this.

 

[fiel12]

Because that would be pay for training :laugh: :laugh:


Compare first year FO pay and bennies at SWA to that of most "non PFT" carriers (ie LEGACY).
It's kind of like giving SWA a $7000 check to hold on to at the beginning of your first year. Then finding out a year later they tore up that check, and instead, put an extra few thousand more bucks in your pocket just for letting them hold on to it.
I recently sat in the jumpseat of a NWA 757 where the FO told me that after being with NWA for 11 years, he made only $92,000 last year.
I've heard of SWA FOs breaking six figures in their 2nd year!
And was told by a SWA pilot rep, that you'ld have to try hard not to break 100k in your 3rd year.
You can call it PFT, I call it one he!! of a return on your investment.

 

[Falconjet]

How much you make after you get there has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it is pay for training.

That being said, it is NOT pay for training.

The type is simply a requirement for employment, just like the ATP and PIC requirements. Did you pay for those or did you get them along the way? Lots of guys pay for the type, I'm sure others get it elsewhere. Either way, the type requirement is not pay for training.

Paul: No offense meant, I'm sure the question was well intentioned. You just don't know who might be reading these boards and I doubt you want to be identified as somebody looking for a shortcut or rubber stamp to get hired at SW.

I also don't think too many type operators would want to be identified on a public forum as a place where they offer a rubber stamp type rating. The feds might want to look into such claims don't you think?

FJ

 

[CF34-3B1]

Because that would be pay for training :laugh: :laugh:


Compare first year FO pay and bennies at SWA to that of most "non PFT" carriers (ie LEGACY).
It's kind of like giving SWA a $7000 check to hold on to at the beginning of your first year. Then finding out a year later they tore up that check, and instead, put an extra few thousand more bucks in your pocket just for letting them hold on to it.
I recently sat in the jumpseat of a NWA 757 where the FO told me that after being with NWA for 11 years, he made only $92,000 last year.
I've heard of SWA FOs breaking six figures in their 2nd year!
And was told by a SWA pilot rep, that you'ld have to try hard not to break 100k in your 3rd year.
You can call it PFT, I call it one he!! of a return on your investment.

To gross 100k as a 2nd year SWA FO you'd need to fly 107.5 trips for pay per month, not counting per diem.

The average line pays around 97tfp. Picking up 10tfp a month is not very tough at all.

The $ is certainly there if you want it. The majority of 2nd year FOs I know pick up 10 to 20tfp a month.

Making 100k as a 2nd year FO is the norm not the exception IMO

 

[McNugget]

To gross 100k as a 2nd year SWA FO you'd need to fly 107.5 trips for pay per month, not counting per diem.

The average line pays around 97tfp. Picking up 10tfp a month is not very tough at all.

The $ is certainly there if you want it. The majority of 2nd year FOs I know pick up 10 to 20tfp a month.

Making 100k as a 2nd year FO is the norm not the exception IMO

I hate you.





Just kidding, good for you guys, at least somebody is making decent money these days.

 

[capt. megadeth]

You just don't know who might be reading these boards and I doubt you want to be identified as somebody looking for a shortcut or rubber stamp to get hired at SW.

I also don't think too many type operators would want to be identified on a public forum as a place where they offer a rubber stamp type rating. The feds might want to look into such claims don't you think?

FJ

Like HP is not pretty much a rubber stamp....yeah ok. I know plenty of people that went to HP and other places. It's like the weekend ATP or FE written courses....same thing.

Anyone going to these places is looking for the quickest, easiest and cheapest way to get whatever they need....that's kind of a no brainer.

Also, the entire "you just don't know who might be reading this board" is a little conspiracy theorish don't you think?

 

[Hagar17]

How much you make after you get there has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it is pay for training.

That being said, it is NOT pay for training.

The type is simply a requirement for employment, just like the ATP and PIC requirements. Did you pay for those or did you get them along the way? Lots of guys pay for the type, I'm sure others get it elsewhere. Either way, the type requirement is not pay for training.

Paul: No offense meant, I'm sure the question was well intentioned. You just don't know who might be reading these boards and I doubt you want to be identified as somebody looking for a shortcut or rubber stamp to get hired at SW.

I also don't think too many type operators would want to be identified on a public forum as a place where they offer a rubber stamp type rating. The feds might want to look into such claims don't you think?

FJ

FJ:

Sorry, my purple bro, but I have to disagree with you on this one. The PIC and ATP requirements ensure that you meet certain flying experience "gates" before a company decides to interview/hire you.

Paying $7k for a useless type rating in an aircraft that most applicants have zero time in is, pure and simple, PFT.

It is the first test LUV puts you through to see what kind of loyal employee you'll be.

And no, I never applied or was turned down by SWA.

Hag

 

[SWA GUY]

FJ:

The PIC and ATP requirements ensure that you meet certain flying experience "gates" before a company decides to interview/hire you.

Paying $7k for a useless type rating in an aircraft that most applicants have zero time in is, pure and simple, PFT.

It is the first test LUV puts you through to see what kind of loyal employee you'll be.

Hag

Hag,

Thanks for setting the record straight here, where were you BEFORE I made the mistake of applying to and getting hired by SWA?

I'm off to the FSDO to turn in my type rating and then on to Dallas to quit my job, all thanks to Hag for exposing the truth about SWA and it's hiring practices/requirements.

Dang fine reporting Hag! Ever work for the New York Times?

That boy is as sharp as a double-edged meatball I tell you.

 

[Hagar17]

Hag,

Thanks for setting the record straight here, where were you BEFORE I made the mistake of applying to and getting hired by SWA?

I'm off to the FSDO to turn in my type rating and then on to Dallas to quit my job, all thanks to Hag for exposing the truth about SWA and it's hiring practices/requirements.

Dang fine reporting Hag! Ever work for the New York Times?

That boy is as sharp as a double-edged meatball I tell you.

SWA GUY:

I'm not saying you made a mistake by working for SWA or that you should quit your job. SWA ia a fine, money-making company with employees that seem to get the big picture about customer service.

I'm just saying I feel the requirement for the 737 type is an outdated practice and a form of PFT.

You chose to go that direction and I'm sure you're glad you did it. I hope you have a fine career.

No, I never worked for the NY Times, but thanks for asking.

The meatball comment was hilarious. Oh, my sides.

Hag

 

[thepotato232]

It seems like the whole interview/newhire process at SWA is a whole lot more about personality than technical flying skill. I guess getting the type is proof for the company that you're willing to drink the Kool-Aid when the time comes (just kidding, the guys over there are great). Of course, getting on the seniority list ASAP will probably more than cover that $5000 investment in the long run. Every company has their own quirks about who they'll hire. SWA's are different in that they're clearly outlined and almost universally possible to satisfy given sufficient time and money. Ever try to get the straight dope out of UAL back when they hired?

 

[Benhuntn]

107k 2nd yr and I just bid all the 100+ tfp lines from the get-go. Got a couple of JA's in there and didn't work the last 3 wks of the yr.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Paying $7k for a useless type rating in an aircraft that most applicants have zero time in is, pure and simple, PFT.

It is the first test LUV puts you through to see what kind of loyal employee you'll be.

I guess I "flunked" the test. I (like many others) didn't pay for my 737 type rating...but still got hired at SWA.

TEjas

 

[Ran Lawson]

The fastest and the cheapest when I did it was FTI in Denver. Great instructors and UAL facilities. If you need your type I would highly recommend you give them a call and see what they offer.

I don't see how it is possible to receive quality training in only 8 days. I heard some less than positive things about this program!

 

[NEDude]

I don't see how it is possible to receive quality training in only 8 days. I heard some less than positive things about this program!

I don't know where you heard less than positive things. I couldn't find anything negative here when I researched them (FTI). And now having been through their type rating course I can highly recommend them.

No type rating course is really going to prepare you to walk out the door and into the left seat of the airplane. And I don't know of any place that even pretends that. All of these courses are designed to meet the FAA requirements to put the type rating on your certificate. And we all know how thoughrough FAA requirment are. Would any of you trust a 1500 hour captain paired with a 250 hour F/O on an jet aircraft even though they meet the FAA minimum requirements?

As to the quality of the training. Let me say this, I felt more knowledgeable about the 737 after two weeks in Denver, than I did in the CRJ after seven weeks of training at a highly respected regional.

 

[thepotato232]

Who is saying less-than-positive things about FTI's program? That's where I got my 37 type done, and I couldn't be happier with the way my training went. I've never even met anyone who was displeased with their type program after going through it. Concerned about how you can earn a type rating in eight days? You work your butt off. You're not learning company profiles or ATC procedures, you're learning the plane. This kind of schedule is actually pretty common.

 

[Charlie Brown]

I had a very positive experience with FTI. I will highly recommend them to anyone who will listen.

 

[afhercdriver]

Shameful plug for Higher Power. They are great! Give Sandy a call at
1-800-JET CREW.

Jim

 

[hypersonic]

Hey afhercdriver, did you get a class date yet?

 

[ForgedBlade]

I don't see how it is possible to receive quality training in only 8 days. I heard some less than positive things about this program!

A 737 Type is a 737 Type is a 737 Type...

FTI is a great program, and why the hell do you want to spend an extra week and an extra $2000 at the "other" place for the same Type?!

Another thumbs-up for FTI!