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American Eagle has begun paying for simulator time to bring pilot candidates up to its minimums of 500/100 hours, a company spokeswoman confirmed.
In the last two months, the airline has begun interviewing pilots who have 400 hours of total time and 100 hours of multi-engine time and offering to pay for simulator time to help some reach their minimum requirements, said Andrea Huguely.
"If we get someone in the door and they need some hours, we will help them out," said Huguely. "It depends on the (candidate's) hours and the interviewing. It's done on an as needed basis. Certainly we don't have to do that with every case."
She said the airline is picking up simulator costs through its bridge programs with flight schools, including one run by Flight Safety International. She said the costs could reach thousands of dollars for some candidates.
"In the past, the pilots would have to pay to get that time, but we change what we do with those programs as the market changes," said Huguely.
ALPA encouraging AE pilots to leave
The new practice comes as American Eagle's pilot union, the Air Line Pilots Association, is openly encouraging its pilots to leave the airline.
Under a 10-year agreement between ALPA, American Eagle, American Airlines and the Allied Pilots Association, American Eagle pilots were awarded certain rights to advance to American Airlines. However, when American Airlines began furloughing thousands of pilots in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, hundreds of its pilots instead flowed down to America Eagle. With nearly 2,400 American Airline pilots still furloughed, most American Eagle pilots are looking at seven to eight years before they can move to American.
A tentative agreement (TA) reached in late October between the four parties would have aided pilot recruitment and retention by moving more than half the Eagle pilot seniority list to American Airlines and offering bonuses and other incentives, according to both ALPA and the APA. However, the TA fell apart earlier this month when American Airline executives insisted on inserting language that would have allowed them over scope issues and the matter is now headed to arbitration.
"Because the tentative agreement has collapsed we basically have no confidence the company has a plan to solve the pilot shortage and we actively encourage our pilots to seek other employment and encourage all new applicants at Eagle to do their research appropriately," said Richard Krutenant, chairman of the communications committee for ALPA's Master Executive Council at American Eagle. "Eagle ALPA’s position has been to promote the idea that if you truly want to attract pilots to this airline and jumpstart growth and keep our very senior first officers from leaving, you need to restore career expectations for all our pilots, specifically at American."
Huguely said American Eagle does not disclose pilot attrition rates, but many regional airlines confirmed rates as high as 22 percent earlier this year. American Eagle employs approximately 2,500 crewmembers, acceding to ALPA.
Discontent helping AE lower pilot costs
At the same time, however, the discontent is helping American Eagle rejuvenate its pilot ranks. It is working with ALPA to help its pilots find jobs at other carriers even as about 400 former American Airline pilots are being called back to that airline.
"We want someone to enjoy the profession of being a pilot," she said. "If we can’t place them at American we will find another place for them to go to and that - I know - other carriers are not doing.” Short term, that creates a little bit of a training bubble for us, but long term it's a good thing for our company."
American Eagle executives have noted that all this will help them control costs because those leaving are among its highest paid pilots.
The U.S. major airlines are projected to hire more than 50,000 pilots during the next 12 years, or more than twice the 20,000 pilots now employed by the regionals. Whether the pilot shortage will force other regional airlines to begin picking up flight training costs is far from certain.
At Republic Airways Holdings Inc., pilot attrition has dropped off from its peak earlier in the year and is now hovering below 20 percent, said Warren Wilkinson, a spokesman for Republic Airways.
"We have the highest minimums in the industry and I don't see us needing to do that," Skellon said of helping pilots reach its minimums of 800/100.
 

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WTF???

""We have the highest minimums in the industry and I don't see us needing to do that," Skellon said of helping pilots reach its minimums of 800/100."

NOT!
 

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-That TA would have granted about of the senior 1000 Eagle pilots to go to AA AFTER ALL AA/TWA RECALLS WERE COMPLETE. The arbitration, if won, will make almost 400 Eagle captains leave now and 150 flowbacks leave as soon as the Eagle ones are through. Ask anyone looking to get hired at Eagle if they'd rather move up 500+ numbers now or 1000 numbers in 2-3 years. There's much more to the TA than that, but that's the quick and dirty as far as newhires are concerned.

- Eagle has around 2900 pilots, not 2500.

-The company is not and never has worked with ALPA to get its pilots hired elsewhere. They were supposed to, but never did.


That whole article was full of untruths.
 

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Well, its beginning. Ab initio.

This is something that we need to address in contract negotiations right now, not when its too late. This could end up being as bad for all of us as loosing scope was in the early 90s.

This is a sure fire way airlines have to keep pay low and keep pilots backed into a corner with no options, keep supply/demand on their side, etc. Plus, spending tens of thousands on training pilots that could be coming to us instead as pay.

Airlines will never learn that if they paid a livable wage and treated their employees well, they would have no staffing issues and have their choice of very qualified pilots... *sigh*
 

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This burns me a little. Eagle is one of my #1 choices for airlines. I know I might get flamed but really. The upgrade time is high. However the place not to be now and the place with the high upgrade time is the place in two years where it will be 6 months. (I could be really wrong) Eagle is owned by AMR who owns American Airlines. Unless American goes out of biz Eagle will probably never. Travel Bennies, probably excellent. Bases? I'd love to be on the ATR in Miami. This would be perfect till I have enough senority to hold a base on a jet with a decent schedule. However, when I called HR because I had been out of flying for a while I was told I needed to get a job and/or go to one of the sim courses. I am not going to spend $6000. A couple hundred to stay current, sure. I am a ATP CFI-I MEI. I have flown 135, which proves I can probably hack it through training equal or greater to a CFI that has 400 hours. (not saying I am a super pilot, I am quite humble as every flight is a learning experience for me) My multi time was spent doing either 135, instructing or time building. I was one of these people that if it was crappy and 500 overcast or what not lets go fly and shot some approaches. So my multi time was used to build skill NOT time, which is what I always believe in. My multi time for 135 was spent shooting at least on most days 3 plus approaches often at mins. I will not and never will go back to instructing full time again. I did enough 14 hour days trying to get 3-4 hours of flight time. Where do I lye now?
 

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Why don't you go fly for Flight Express for a month and reapply? Seems simple enough. 135 operators are scrambling as it is and FE doesn't make you sign a contract.
 

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Eagle is one of my #1 choices for airlines.

Why?

You're right about job stability, the good news is Eagle ain't going out of business anytime soon.

But there are no guarantees the Eagle upgrade will come down, and the odds of a shorter upgrade are better at almost any other regional. Fast upgrades are usually a product of growth, and that's one thing Eagle doesn't have a lot of.

If you're looking for upgrade, go somewhere else. If bases and QOL are more important, than maybe Eagle is in fact the best choice.
 

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This burns me. Why not drop the multi time requirement if you are going to just plop them in front of a multi sim anyway?

I have almost 1000TT and 25 multi and I doubt my resume would get looked at. My bad I've worked the CFI jobs and only flown singles b/c the boss took the gravy twin jobs.
 

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Over on Jetcareers.com under "Working the flight safety program for American Eagle" I guy named Jack just got picked up and didn't have to pay anything. Is everyone sure on this? Also, I understand they pay a per diem or something like that.
 

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Maybe they really want people with the lowest possible experience, so they know they will stick around for a least a year or so. Go to eagle, get your time, then go somewhere else with a quick upgrade. With age 65 likely to happen in the next few months, things will come to a grinding halt. Those senior Captains at eagle won't be retiring or going anywhere else; they are probably lifers. You really don't won't to get stuck at a commuter. Go somewhere you can upgrade quick, then get the heck out.
 

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\ If bases and QOL are more important, than maybe Eagle is in fact the best choice.


This was the main reason I came to Eagle. I love it and am happy with my choice. So it might take a little longer to upgrade, but you know what I am happy, my family is happy, my friends are happy, I work for a pretty stable company and honestly the pay compared to some other regional's isn't that bad. The training was also top notch.
 

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Amazing video right there!
 

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So it might take a little longer to upgrade...

Not trying to be facetious, but if by that you mean the nominal time it would take somebody else to get to the right seat of an LCC, then sure.

The only problem with the QOL issue and domiciles is that unless you can get on with a major/LCC at the same base, you're gonna have to move the family or face the commuting dilema you were trying to avoid in the first place. Also try feeding the family on regional FO pay for 7 years...Which is why career-wise Eagle only works for somebody who's intent on making Eagle his final destination, or if you decide to jump to fractionals (netjets and the like). Those senior CAs are going to remain on property forever. Other than that, decent folks and stable place to work by whatever definition you choose.
 

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Not trying to be facetious, but if by that you mean the nominal time it would take somebody else to get to the right seat of an LCC, then sure.

The only problem with the QOL issue and domiciles is that unless you can get on with a major/LCC at the same base, you're gonna have to move the family or face the commuting dilema you were trying to avoid in the first place. Also try feeding the family on regional FO pay for 7 years...Which is why career-wise Eagle only works for somebody who's intent on making Eagle his final destination, or if you decide to jump to fractionals (netjets and the like). Those senior CAs are going to remain on property forever. Other than that, decent folks and stable place to work by whatever definition you choose.

You nailed it. If you want to stay at eagle, fine. But if you have any ambitions, look elsewhere. With age 65, you'll be an eagle FO forever. It will get old. The thrill of flying that shiny jet will be gone sooner than you think.
 
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