Eagle off runway in SDF

[Avi8tor2000]

Anyone have any info about the Eagle EMB off the runway in SDF? News is reporting that they returned to the field with engine problems and rolled into the mud after an emergency landing.

 

[Tooslow]

sweet, glad everyone is ok

 

[iflyjets4food]

Louisville Courier-Journal

Jet with engine trouble skids off runway By Charlie White
[email protected]
The Courier-Journal


An American Eagle commuter jet skidded off a wet runway at Louisville International Airport about 5 p.m. after crew members reported trouble with one of its engines.

There were no injuries among the 46 people aboard, which included passengers and crew, said Trish Burke, spokeswoman for the Louisville Regional Airport Authority.

The jet, an Embraer ERJ-140, had taken off on-time from Louisville International en route to Chicago when the pilot noticed a loss of power in one of the two engines, said Tim Smith, a spokesman for American Eagle, the regional carrier for American Airlines.

All American pilots are trained to fly with one engine, Smith said.

Airport officials learned that American Eagle Flight 3980 needed to land about 4:30 p.m. The pilot immediately turned the plane around and landed it 25 minutes later, Burke said.

The jet’s engines are designed to go to idle if there is problem, Smith said. He said the crew followed proper procedure in returning to the closest airport.

But because of the wet runway, the plane’s brakes did not stop the jet in time, Smith said.

Some witnesses told airline officials the jet began to hydroplane. It stopped about 15 feet off the end of the left side of runway 17, he said.

“It is always tough to get braking traction on a wet runway, and with the one engine out, there were fewer options for” reversing the forward thrust of the plane, Smith said.

The plane’s landing gear got stuck in the mud off the runway, but preliminary inspection found no damage, Smith said.

A maintenance crew planned to use a jack to lift the aircraft and “get the landing gear out of the muck,” Smith said.

Passengers were given the option to fly out on a later flight or stay overnight at the airline’s expense and fly out Saturday.

Reporter Charlie White can be reached at (502) 582-4653.

 

[The_Russian]

All American pilots are trained to fly with one engine, Smith said.

This comment justifed the following responses:

1. Russian pilots are not.

2. We shut 'em down for fun.

3. We don't even bother training for two because most of the time the other is broken.

4. The plane had two engines?







Glad everyone is safe!

 

[motch]

The Russian...

Sir, that was a GREAT post!
My hats off to ya.

Motch

 

[siucavflight]

The EMB-140s engines are designed to go to idle in the event of a problem???? That is news to me.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Reporters' brains designed to go to idle when...well, when they wake up in the morning.

 

[snap145]

glad everyone is okay....if your on here...nice job boys!

 

[siucavflight]

glad everyone is okay....if your on here...nice job boys!

Yep, nice job guys, glad everyone is safe. At least American is training their pilots to fly on one engine!!!!

 

[Sawmill]

Yup...any problem and the engins go to idle. No coffee? Engines idle. Jepps not updated? Engines idle. PFTer in the right seat? Engines idle. etc...

 

[Sawmill]

Since losing one engine is a problem, does that mean the other will go to idle at American?

 

[siucavflight]

Since losing one engine is a problem, does that mean the other will go to idle at American?

I dont know if it is a feature of the Eagle brand of the Allison, or if all of them will do that, but yes technically since one engine is a problem it would stand to reason that the other engine should go to idle as well.

 

[rjacobs]

The only time I can think that the engine will go to idle on its own is if a reverser comes out in flight, cant think of other times it would go to idle and not shut down.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Reporters' brains designed to go to idle when...well, when they wake up in the morning.

HAHAHAHA, very true...good call on that!

 

[AirBadger]

My car has Idle Engine Technology, or I.E.T as well. When I release the gas pedal, the engine idles. It's a revolutionary technology thats sweeping the nation.

 

[ReverseSensing]

My car has Idle Engine Technology, or I.E.T as well. When I release the gas pedal, the engine idles. It's a revolutionary technology thats sweeping the nation.

No kidding? My bicycle has that technology. When I stop pedaling (which is all the time -- have you seen me?) the bike somehow knows and goes to idle.

I'm looking at one of them fancy bicycles by Lexus that parallel parks itself. Sweet!

 

[skiandsurf]

glad everyone is okay....if your on here...nice job boys!

I wasnt there so I hate to be too critical, but going off the runway is not a good ending. I have had two engine failures on twin engine aircraft, and was able to keep the planes on the runway on both occasions.

Question.....Did they land on the longest available runway? I am not sure, but I would think that Louisville has a long runway (8000 feet maybe). That should be plenty long.

Other than that, thank goodness nobody got hurt.

 

[siucavflight]

I wasnt there so I hate to be too critical, but going off the runway is not a good ending. I have had two engine failures on twin engine aircraft, and was able to keep the planes on the runway on both occasions.

Question.....Did they land on the longest available runway? I am not sure, but I would think that Louisville has a long runway (8000 feet maybe). That should be plenty long.

Other than that, thank goodness nobody got hurt.

And that is where you are wrong. A good outcome in any type of emergency is where no one is injured and no metal got bent. I am sure that you are the best twin cessna driver in the world, but this is a little different.

 

[skiandsurf]

And that is where you are wrong. A good outcome in any type of emergency is where no one is injured and no metal got bent. I am sure that you are the best twin cessna driver in the world, but this is a little different.

Dude, when you get some flight time and experience, then come back and we will talk.

I GUARANTEE you, that if he went off the runway on a checkride, the instructor would have hime do it again.....or in other words, UNSAT.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Dude, when you get some flight time and experience, then come back and we will talk.

I GUARANTEE you, that if he went off the runway on a checkride, the instructor would have hime do it again.....or in other words, UNSAT.

-5 for SP and -10 for DUDE!

you are a dork

 

[skiandsurf]

-5 for SP and -10 for DUDE!

you are a dork

But I am correct.

 

[DrewBlows]

The EMB-140s engines are designed to go to idle in the event of a problem???? That is news to me.

Yeah, there is a an Idle Retard Unit. The system is redundant; Retard Unit #1 sits in the left seat, Retard Unit #2 sits in the right seat. If Retard Unit #1 fails then Retard Unit #2 takes over, and vice versa.

 

[PilotSkydiver]

Don't beat the guys up yet.. Embraer jets (at least 140/145's) have had a long history of going off the end of wet runways for no particular reason. I think it's a problem with the anti-skid system... I personally have had some experience with this.. Let me set it up for you....
You've just sent it down nice and soft on a wet runway and apply brakes. All wheels lock up because all the a/c weight is not on the pavement. You arent slowing so instinctively you press harder on brakes which still are locked up. You're worried about a single engine go around so aren't thinking about all the other systems the wheel lock proctection and anti skid are now all off because the airplane thinks it's stopped (the ADC Airspeed isn't in the loop for the Anti-Skid and wheel lock) since all wheel speed transducers are all showing 0MPH the airplane has already disengaged the wheel lock and anti-skid and there you are sliding down the runway. If you wern't thinking so heavly about the engine out you would probably let go of the brakes, let the wheels spin back up and re-apply the brakes. That's the best case senerio but who in here would think of that while they are skidding down the runway at 110Kts. This should be addressed in training but currently isn't (at least not at my airline) It's one of those things... It is what it is...

Point of this rant?
The crew did a good job with a bad situation (yes, in the sim is a totally different world and they would have to do it again) but in real life GREAT JOB
no-one got hurt.

 

[eaglefly]

Don't beat the guys up yet.. Embraer jets (at least 140/145's) have had a long history of going off the end of wet runways for no particular reason. I think it's a problem with the anti-skid system... I personally have had some experience with this.. Let me set it up for you....
You've just sent it down nice and soft on a wet runway and apply brakes. All wheels lock up because all the a/c weight is not on the pavement. You arent slowing so instinctively you press harder on brakes which still are locked up. You're worried about a single engine go around so aren't thinking about all the other systems the wheel lock proctection and anti skid are now all off because the airplane thinks it's stopped (the ADC Airspeed isn't in the loop for the Anti-Skid and wheel lock) since all wheel speed transducers are all showing 0MPH the airplane has already disengaged the wheel lock and anti-skid and there you are sliding down the runway. If you wern't thinking so heavly about the engine out you would probably let go of the brakes, let the wheels spin back up and re-apply the brakes. That's the best case senerio but who in here would think of that while they are skidding down the runway at 110Kts. This should be addressed in training but currently isn't (at least not at my airline) It's one of those things... It is what it is...

Point of this rant?
The crew did a good job with a bad situation (yes, in the sim is a totally different world and they would have to do it again) but in real life GREAT JOB
no-one got hurt.

One reverser failed in flight and the engine goes to idle in that event.

As for the hydroplaning issue, although I have no info on the specifics here, the EMB-145 series anti-skid system can be very sensitive and touchy. Additionally, the distance between the main landing gear on this aircraft is almost exactly the same distance as most runway turnoff stripes are. I know at ORD and many other runways when braking and on centerline you can lose ALL braking when either or both mains go over the paint on turn off stripes (viscous hydroplaning).

Perhaps they had the aircraft slowed and attempted to turn off and the mains hydroplaned on those glossy (and wet) runway markings and or stripes.

Most other aircraft, including the CRJ have main gear distance either too big or too small, but the 145 series is "juuuussst riiight" for this unpleasant possibility.

 

[OPECJet]

Good thing our engines don't go to idle when something is wrong.

We'd never fly...

Nice job guys!

 

[siucavflight]

Yeah, there is a an Idle Retard Unit. The system is redundant; Retard Unit #1 sits in the left seat, Retard Unit #2 sits in the right seat. If Retard Unit #1 fails then Retard Unit #2 takes over, and vice versa.

This made my day!

 

[sleddriver77]

There's always the emergency/parking brake. Even four blown tires would beat putting it in the buckwheat. Still a long runway to go skidding off the end of. Might have floated a bit.

 

[Long Time Gone]

The EMB-140s engines are designed to go to idle in the event of a problem???? That is news to me.

Since you've never flown a CR2 or CR7, why do you have one of our aircraft as your avatar????

 

[ReportCanoa]

And that is where you are wrong. A good outcome in any type of emergency is where no one is injured and no metal got bent.

Not really. With the industry hiring the least qualified individuals to fly jets though, your theory may become the new reality for air transport safety.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I have had two engine failures on twin engine aircraft, and was able to keep the planes on the runway on both occasions.

Well la de da.....aren't you just perfect?