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Long Time Gone said:
Since you've never flown a CR2 or CR7, why do you have one of our aircraft as your avatar????
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Sorry, guess that I did not list all of the aircraft that I have flown, but this plane 701EV has a special meaning to me.
 
capt. megadeth said:
Well la de da.....aren't you just perfect?
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One guy called me a Dork. But I was right in my statement. Now you call me perfect. I never claimed this, but if you consider these guys, in the dirt, to be good, I must be perfect for keeping my airplanes on the runway. Thanks for the compliment. My Chief Pilot didnt even say that. I guess he figured any "qualified" pilot can land a twin engine airplane with one engine shutdown, and keep in on the runway.
 
I'm glad every one is okay...

If the antiskid system in the airplane is that fracked up why hasn't the FAA done something about it! How did it get past the certification process in the first place, shouldn't safety conscious ALPA be doing something about this issue before one goes off the end?

Airplanes are supposed to perform to the certification criteria. One of those is being able to stay on the pavement if the performance data was calculated correctly. The difference between no injuries and fatalities may be as small as having or not having an approach light or localizer array to punch a hole in a wing and get a fuel leak...

I hope it was the airplane's fault somehow that they went off the end. The NTSB is not usually that gracious though. The data recorders and cvr will be interesting on this one.
 
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Just curious. I took a couple of trips in the ERJ on Eagle last week as a pax. Didn't use the TR's either time. Is this Eagle SOP?
 
ReportCanoa said:
Not really. With the industry hiring the least qualified individuals to fly jets though, your theory may become the new reality for air transport safety.
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Amen, Amen, and Amen! I cant help but think, when I hear about a regional accident, whether or not we will see a trend of frequent accidents/incidents in the near future...and if anyone will make the corralation (sp?) between these wonderkids and the accident rate. I look back at the Pinnicle, the CLT B1900 (Midwest Connect?), and the Comair accidents and see a connection. Obviously, before any of you attack, I see the different causes, but I am just wondering about experience levels in the cockpit. And if memory serves me correctly, did not more than a couple of those pilots get their start at JIA? I am not trying to slam these guys and girls but I can tell you, I used to try to book flights on RJs and now, I go out of my way to drive to CLT so I can be on Boeings and Airbuses. Oh, and I agree with any of you that think my 1800 hours is not enough experience. I was hired at 1000 and still think that you should have 5K hours to be up front. One of the many reasons I got out.
 
Just curious. I took a couple of trips in the ERJ on Eagle last week as a pax. Didn't use the TR's either time. Is this Eagle SOP?
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I may be mistaken, but I have heard that Eagle doesn't have TR's on the planes. Either pinned or deactivated somehow.
 
pa31350pilot said:
I may be mistaken, but I have heard that Eagle doesn't have TR's on the planes. Either pinned or deactivated somehow.
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Nope not true, we are not supposed to use them on dry runways more than 7000 feet. But we do have them, and they are not pinned.
 
Sawmill said:
Amen, Amen, and Amen! I cant help but think, when I hear about a regional accident, whether or not we will see a trend of frequent accidents/incidents in the near future...and if anyone will make the corralation (sp?) between these wonderkids and the accident rate. I look back at the Pinnicle, the CLT B1900 (Midwest Connect?), and the Comair accidents and see a connection. Obviously, before any of you attack, I see the different causes, but I am just wondering about experience levels in the cockpit. And if memory serves me correctly, did not more than a couple of those pilots get their start at JIA? I am not trying to slam these guys and girls but I can tell you, I used to try to book flights on RJs and now, I go out of my way to drive to CLT so I can be on Boeings and Airbuses. Oh, and I agree with any of you that think my 1800 hours is not enough experience. I was hired at 1000 and still think that you should have 5K hours to be up front. One of the many reasons I got out.
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What level of intelligence does it take an individual to be able to construct such pointless unsubstantiated dribble yet still speak condescendingly of a group that you were once a member of? Today, I am embarassed to be a human being.
 
Sawmill said:
Amen, Amen, and Amen! I cant help but think, when I hear about a regional accident, whether or not we will see a trend of frequent accidents/incidents in the near future...and if anyone will make the corralation (sp?) between these wonderkids and the accident rate. I look back at the Pinnicle, the CLT B1900 (Midwest Connect?), and the Comair accidents and see a connection. Obviously, before any of you attack, I see the different causes, but I am just wondering about experience levels in the cockpit. And if memory serves me correctly, did not more than a couple of those pilots get their start at JIA? I am not trying to slam these guys and girls but I can tell you, I used to try to book flights on RJs and now, I go out of my way to drive to CLT so I can be on Boeings and Airbuses. Oh, and I agree with any of you that think my 1800 hours is not enough experience. I was hired at 1000 and still think that you should have 5K hours to be up front. One of the many reasons I got out.
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Wow, I think that it is safe to say that we have now read the least informed, least intelligent post on FI ever. I love it "I drive to CLT so that I can be on Boeings and Airbuses" yeah, because these RJs are falling out of the sky left and right, and thank God that the Boeings and Airbuses never crash. Ha, great post buddy.
 
Sawmill said:
the CLT B1900 (Midwest Connect?),
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That one was MAG's Air Midwest and has been attributed primarily to mx fouling up the pitch trim system. The aircraft was aft CG but should have been able to fly if the trim had worked right!

There is no substitute for experience. That's one of the beauties of the system...1000 hr wonders sit in the right seat and hopefully get some good experience and some help from their CA's for a while before they upgrade. They can get washed during initial, IOE, Line Checks, the first year of probation. If one CA has a problem with someone another CA may be brought in to evaluate them. Then they typically sit there for another two-to-five years, at which point they should have 3-5000 hours before they upgrade. And then they can bust ground, sim training, the type ride or IOE or another line check!

I can list many accidents that didn't involve any low time guys though. Start off with Tenerife...
 
ReportCanoa said:
No, it was his first time in IMC.
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Booohahahahaha...

hehehe. Hey, does having two uh, flight attendants double your chances on the O/N or does it just double the bar tab and the chance that they will spit in your coffee?
 
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DrewBlows said:
Why? In the CR7, I rarely use brakes because of the the thrust reversers. There is very little company guidance on how to use them. Is it a maintenance thing?
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Probably just for less wear and tear on the engines... plus a small amount in fuel savings.
 
DrewBlows said:
Why? In the CR7, I rarely use brakes because of the the thrust reversers. There is very little company guidance on how to use them. Is it a maintenance thing?
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They say it is because they are a high maintence item, so if we do not need them dont use them, but it comes down to what the CA wants, if he does choose to use them that is his perogative, and there will be no questions asked.
 
Thermocouple said:
What level of intelligence does it take an individual to be able to construct such pointless unsubstantiated dribble yet still speak condescendingly of a group that you were once a member of? Today, I am embarassed to be a human being.
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Thermo: Maybe you did not understand...my point is the lack of real experience in the cockpit. Im sorry if I have touched a nerve with you and others but incase you did not notice, I have the same lack of experience! Do you honestly think 1000 hours is enough time to be flying 50-70 pax? Maybe if it is turbine multi time but, like most of the new hires, 900 hours of C152 with 100 hours of multi just dosent cut it in my opinion. Yup, thats right, this is just my opinion, like every other post on this site is someones opinion. And you know what they say about opinions...so dont get so worked up...geez. Hey, but dont feel bad...I am sure there are alot of people out there who are embarrassed you are a human being..... Now come on...thats funny...you gotta laugh at that one...??
 
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DrewBlows said:
Why? In the CR7, I rarely use brakes because of the the thrust reversers. There is very little company guidance on how to use them. Is it a maintenance thing?
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Our carbon fiber brakes actually last longer if they get real hot. The T/R were giving us a lot of problems with use on every landing, so now the policy is this:
7000 ft or less, or contaminated runway of any length, idle reverse.
Max reverse only in an emergency.

According to the program manager, since we changed policies, our T/R problems are way down and our brake life is the best in the industry. We've recently started doing flaps 22 landings and that has also increased brake life.
 
FWIW...I was there that day and runway conditions were less than ideal with the amount of rain that was coming down at the time. We were getting ready to blast off 17R and could not see them touchdown as 17L is partially blocked by the terminal. I would be willing to bet those guys had more things working against them after they landed than they did during their single engine approach. Inexperienced crew....NOT likely, isn't upgrade on the jet at eagle somewhere in the neighborhood of 5yrs?? It'll be interesting when the FACTS come out, nice job to the crew for gettin' her down...wish the end result would have turned out a little better for ya'
 
skiandsurf said:
I wasnt there so I hate to be too critical, but going off the runway is not a good ending. I have had two engine failures on twin engine aircraft, and was able to keep the planes on the runway on both occasions.

Question.....Did they land on the longest available runway? I am not sure, but I would think that Louisville has a long runway (8000 feet maybe). That should be plenty long.

Other than that, thank goodness nobody got hurt.
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you dont circle to land on a singe engine do you???
 

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