Eagle Furloughs

[FEDUPPILOT]

This was not an ASM discussion!!! And another thing flyinmonkey

BL-W ME!!!!!

 

[MartinFierro]

April 16th class here...

Wow, over a year. That's depressing. Having a lot of trouble finding other jobs out there. I was told recently by another regional that is hiring that they would interview me immediately since I have 121 time, but won't right now because I do not currently have a flying job. Of course, my lack of funds precludes me doing much flying on my own, so it is tough just to maintain instrument currency. Anybody else feeling depressed out there? This sucks. Yeah I'll go back because at the moment I have no other options. Assuming I am called back, I am only staying around long enough to get competetive to apply to a better airline.

 

[skippy22]

Hey now

Fedupilot or whatever the name is, is right. This was not a ASM question, but while you brought it up Mr. FLYnMonkeys, how if the arbitration sorts itself out would anymore Eagle guys be on furlough? And who do you work for? You can PM me if you wish.

 

[Lev]

Anyone out there been given a good reason why we were not paid our bonus for last year? We earned the money just like everyone else and should be paid regardless. I believe a large number of us will never return (I won't). Maybe a CLASS ACTION is in order to get what we are due.

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

Re: Hey now

Fedupilot or whatever the name is, is right. This was not a ASM question, but while you brought it up Mr. FLYnMonkeys, how if the arbitration sorts itself out would anymore Eagle guys be on furlough? And who do you work for? You can PM me if you wish.

Note my last post in which I quoted feduppilot. He refered to the ASM Cap as Crap. This may not have started as a ASM discussion but it may turn into one. I guess when one doesn't have anything intelligent to say they spew out the words "BIow Me". Wow now I feel real bad. If you don't like what I said that's fine, don't tell me what I can and can't post.

Back to the point, the ASM Cap if upheld and enforced will cause Eagle to either park more planes (which they won't do) or use AA furloughees to fly them. If the planes are parked more Eagle guys will be furloughed, if they have to use AA guys I beleive more Eagle guys will be furloughed. Of course, the latter would bring about the end of the Cap restriction once the last AA furloughee is flying (according to proposals that had been on the table) and then Eagle could start the expenansion process again. Then the Eagle furloughees would be recalled. This whole Cap issue is a way to protect jobs at AA. Look what's happening at Delta. Comair and ASA are hiring, expanding like crazy, and Delta continues to lay off pilots. We have a tool to stop that from happening.

Scope is a necessary evil in the industry. If Eagle had scope they could have protected themselves better. I flew for ACA we did have scope. When the company started up ACJet (Patriot) they had to operate them on a different certificate. Our scope prevented them from starting it as a seperate seniority list carrier. They would have loved to have done that to save on training costs. So even at the regional level scope is an issue. Any pilot at any company should want to protect the flying currently being done by pilots on their seniority lists. To allow another carrier or pilot group who will provide the lift for less money is almost like allowing SCABs to steal your flying. Not that you guys are scabs, but try to put yourself in our position.

I submit the the ASM Cap is not anti-Eagle it's pro AA. APA had a way to protect itself and is trying to live by the CBA with Management. APA even had a proposal to merge the seniority lists. That would guarantee you would become an AA pilot.

If you can't tell I'm an AA furloughee. I'll bet Eagle furloughees are having an easier time finding flying jobs than us. Nobody wants to touch someone with recall at AA because they know you'll leave as soon as it comes. These are crazy times in this industry and a lot of us are having to deal with them first hand. I would much rather get recalled and get back into the S80 but I would be equally happy to come over to Eagle for a while with you guys. That is of course if Feduppilot can keep his KY to himself

 

[ACWild]

But the KY helps to ease the pain...

 

[jetexas]

"If Eagle had scope they could have protected themselves better."

We do have Scope, but it is poorly written much like the rest of our cryptic contract. The company walked all over our scope with the usage of American Connection carriers. We have an arbitration hearing pending on scope second week of this month.
It is true that scope is important. I, like most of the Eagle folks, never bought the company's argument to try and get AA to lift the ASM cap. To do so would be ludicrous since there would be no guarantee it would help Eagle at all, furloughed or not furloughed. It would only serve to divide AA and Eagle pilots. AMR would likely get anyone with an aircraft larger than a 210 to fly feed for AA regardless of loyalties, past or present to AMR. Their goal is cheap labor, not morale or harmony in the work force.
Good luck to all on furlough. Hopefully it won't be much longer.

 

[SF3CAP]

Monkeys:
What's sad is we get email all the time from management blaming how BAD things are at Eagle on the ASM cap, so I guess some folks are buying it.
I, like most Eagle guys, am standing with you
on this one. They will not divide us any more.
What's the status of your negotiations?

 

[laxembfo]

Inform youself

Keep the ASM is place. We need to Unite and become One. Remenber ONE VOICE ONE LIST. I welcome all American Pilots, and yes I have flown with some of the flowbacks, their good guys. If we don't UNITE American Airlines will grow about 2-3% per year and Eagle will grow about 123% that's what the experts said before 9/11. Look at the numbers American Airlines traffic May up 0.9% over last year American Eagle traffic May up 5.2 % over last year. For all of you American Airlines pilots and Eagle pilot please read the BOYD report, Inform yourself..

 

[eaglefly]

Dear Monkey - You seem to be a very confused chimp. Should all furloughed AA pilot come to Eagle and do more flying it WOULD NOT end the ASM cap. In order for the ASM cap to end ALL furloughed mainline pilots would have to be recalled to mainline, earning mainline wages and working under the greenbook. APA has not AND WILL NOT agree to anything else. There are no "proposals on the table" that APA condones or accepts regarding your misguided ramblings.

You appear to be a TSA guy looking to stir the pot. Sadly some Eagle guys will nibble at your bait. For now, please continue to enjoy your turboprop, as even if the scope grievance fails, from what I understand all new "connection" jets will go to your friends at Chautauqua.

 

[Lev]

No Bonus

I posted once already. Are any of you furloghed Eagle guy's pissed about not getting your bonus checks? We flew and earned the money. I am ready to go after them to get the small sum that I am owed. I am trying to support a wife and three kids on "UE" for the last seven months. I will never go back there, and I don't wan't to give them a pass on my tab. We should try to group together and secure what we are due.

 

[selkirk]

SkyWest

For those interested in SkyWest, I recently exchanged emails with their Manager of Crew Resources. This was shortly after the Canadair strike was resolved (mid May I think?). I hope the writer of this email doesn't mind me passing along the information:

"Right now, we are trying to assess our hiring needs for the remainder of the year. Due to the strike with Canadair, we have had a set back. We will be meeting in the next few weeks to try and determine what that set back means for us.....I have been
interviewing the last few weeks and just so you are aware, the applicants I have been interviewing are coming in with 2000-3000+ hours.....some of which have experience in the aircraft we fly. I say this not to discourage you but only to prepare you for what might be a bit of a wait. (don't ask me to define "a bit of a wait"!) It could be a month or two or it could be longer....I am just letting you know realistically where you stand. I do not intend to interview again either way until late June or July."

I hope that's helpful. From the little experience I've had with SkyWest over the past 1.5 years, double whatever time frame they tell you and you'll be close to what actually happens (2-3 months ends up being 5 or 6 months).

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

Dear Monkey - You seem to be a very confused chimp. Should all furloughed AA pilot come to Eagle and do more flying it WOULD NOT end the ASM cap. In order for the ASM cap to end ALL furloughed mainline pilots would have to be recalled to mainline, earning mainline wages and working under the greenbook. APA has not AND WILL NOT agree to anything else. There are no "proposals on the table" that APA condones or accepts regarding your misguided ramblings.

Ah crap you got me....ok I'm not completely accurate. Give me a break that was almost a half year ago, at which point I still remembered how to fly.here is what it said.....................................Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:34:21 -0600
From: Captain Karl Schricker <[email protected]>
Subject: APA Information Hotline January 17, 2002


APA INFORMATION HOTLINE
This is Gregg Overman, APA Director of Communications, with the
APA Information Hotline for Thursday, January 17.
The following is the text of a news release that APA issued this
afternoon:
The Allied Pilots Association (APA), which serves as collective
bargaining agent for the 11,000 pilots of American Airlines,
today presented a proposal to American Airlines that is designed
to address management's stated need to preserve commuter feed to
American Airlines and keep the carrier's recovery going strong.
"This proposal addresses the needs of all parties," stated
Captain John Darrah, APA President. "While AMR Corporation has
stated that they will have to furlough American Eagle employees
if APA does not agree to their demands, our proposal will
preserve American Airlines, TWA LLC, and American Eagle jobs
while enabling American Airlines to continue its recovery."
According to Darrah, APA's proposal consists of a phased approach
that would return all flying to American Airlines, thereby
removing the primary job-security issue in the minds of American
Airlines' pilots: the outsourcing of American Airlines' flying.
Phase One consists of all 70-seat Regional Jets being flown by
American Airlines pilots.
This would prevent American Eagle from reaching the contractual
cap on Regional Jets. This step would also reduce the likelihood
that management will trigger the available-seat-mile (ASM) and
block-hour limits in effect on American Eagle's operations while
any American Airlines pilots are on furlough.
"Recalling American Airlines and TWA LLC pilots to fly these
70-seat Regional Jets will hasten the removal of this cap on
American Eagle," said Darrah.
Phase Two calls for AMR Corporation to exchange their 44-seat
Regional Jet orders for 50-seat Regional Jets and have them
delivered to and flown by American Airlines. Once all American
Airlines and TWA LLC pilots are recalled, American Eagle pilots
would rapidly flow-through to these new American Airlines jobs.
Phase Three would consist of the transfer of all other flying to
American Airlines, with the remaining American Eagle pilots also
transferring to the mainline carrier to perform the flying.
"To permit AMR Corporation to grow American Eagle at the expense
of American Airlines so AMR can feed Delta Airlines in California
and build an Eagle hub in Raleigh-Durham would result in further
outsourcing of our flying. That would be a huge disservice to
our pilots, particularly when 595 of them are currently
furloughed," he said. "If CEO Don Carty truly intends for
American Airlines to be the world's premier airline, he should
join the Allied Pilots Association in an effort to resolve the
commuter feed issue once and for all."
That is the complete text of the news release. We will update
this hotline as events warrant. Thanks for calling.

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

You appear to be a TSA guy looking to stir the pot. Sadly some Eagle guys will nibble at your bait. For now, please continue to enjoy your turboprop, as even if the scope grievance fails, from what I understand all new "connection" jets will go to your friends at Chautauqua.

Don't quit your day job chief. Your not a great detective. Why don't you give me your name so we can make sure to help you out when you flow over or do you still need to interview?

 

[Airline Pilot27]

The Chimp said: "Don't quit your day job chief. Your not a great detective. Why don't you give me your name so we can make sure to help you out when you flow over or do you still need to interview?"

Hey buddy just wanted to inform you that judging by the flight times that I see from my fellow eagle pilots on this thread that none here will flow over. I doubt a newhire like yourself can "help out" any of our flow thru's that have triple your experience. It sounds as though as you are a bit resentful of the 600 + eagle pilots (there and with numbers) that are more senior then you. poor chimp

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

Hey buddy just wanted to inform you that judging by the flight times that I see from my fellow eagle pilots on this thread that none here will flow over. I doubt a newhire like yourself can "help out" any of our flow thru's that have triple your experience. It sounds as though as you are a bit resentful of the 600 + eagle pilots (there and with numbers) that are more senior then you. poor chimp

Too stupid to see the sarcasm? I'm sorry, you probably need your weather disseminated into plain language also. Not jealous at all, I've got a number at AA do you?

PS...let me know if you need help understanding this post also.

 

[Airline Pilot27]

Poor Chimp said "Too stupid to see the sarcasm? I'm sorry, you probably need your weather disseminated into plain language also. Not jealous at all, I've got a number at AA do you?

PS...let me know if you need help understanding this post also."

I think I touched a sensitve subject with our friend the chimp. Actually, I do see the sarcasm in your post as you failed to notice. That is precisely why I was prompted to respond to your pathetic innuendo. But then again I am sure you are used to failure.

have fun at home depot

 

[eaglefly]

Gee chimp, maybe you could post YOUR name so I can help you out when YOU do a walkaround for ME. I expect a lot from my F/O's you know.

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

But then again I am sure you are used to failure.

have fun at home depot

Not used to failure but the word rolled right off your tongue. Buy the time I had 4000 hours I was already a Captain at ACA. You know you really need to get that PIC time so you can get on with a major. Oh, I'm sorry maybe you failed upgrade training. Once you break the 30k a year mark then you can call someone else a failure....until then go F$@k yourself.

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

Gee chimp, maybe you could post YOUR name so I can help you out when YOU do a walkaround for ME. I expect a lot from my F/O's you know.

It's already posted on the AA seniority list, how about yours?