Dump Duane Worth ALPA

[bendover]

Duane worth is up for reelection to another 5 year term . Why isn't there a ground swell movement to get rid of this guy. He has led alpa while we have seen the profession decimated by mgmt . salaries have fallen move than in any other time in aviation history. retirements have eliminated or drastically reduced. work rules have been trashed. Multiple bankruptsys of alpa carriers. NWA. Delta. United. Usair. ATA. America West. TWA.aloha, Comair,Mesaba, all have one thing in common ALL represented by ALPA!!!!!!!!!!
American,UPS, Jetblue ,Southwest, Airtran, Continental. also have something in common, NO ALPA independant unions and all seem to be healthy and profitable is the a relationship here?
Alpa needs new leadership and direction. its lost its focus it doesn't represent the pilots anymore it represents its self its become a beauracracy. how come duane worth hasn't taken a 40% pay cut on his salary just like all the carriers pilots he supposively represents?

 

[Kharma Police]

Duane worth is up for reelection to another 5 year term . Why isn't there a ground swell movement to get rid of this guy. He has led alpa while we have seen the profession decimated by mgmt . salaries have fallen move than in any other time in aviation history. retirements have eliminated or drastically reduced. work rules have been trashed. Multiple bankruptsys of alpa carriers. NWA. Delta. United. Usair. ATA. America West. TWA.aloha, Comair,Mesaba, all have one thing in common ALL represented by ALPA!!!!!!!!!!
American,UPS, Jetblue ,Southwest, Airtran, Continental. also have something in common, NO ALPA independant unions and all seem to be healthy and profitable is the a relationship here?
Alpa needs new leadership and direction. its lost its focus it doesn't represent the pilots anymore it represents its self its become a beauracracy. how come duane worth hasn't taken a 40% pay cut on his salary just like all the carriers pilots he supposively represents?

Continental is now represented by ALPA not the IACP. I believe that the current contract was ratified by CALPA. I think some of the issues you have brought up have contributed to the rise of independant unions. The APA is an example of a pilot group taking issue with ALPA policy and electing to go it alone.

 

[BoilerUP]

I'm constantly amazed that people continue to refer to ALPA like it is some sort of holy diety or something. Guess what? Every pilot flying for an ALPA-represented carrier *is* ALPA. ALPA isn't Duane, ALPA isn't everybody else in Herndon, ALPA is you and me and everybody else that constantly bitches about whats wrong but won't ever offer any solutions to the problems facing us.

You talk about NWA, DAL, UAL, ATA, AWA, Airways like ALPA took them to the woodshed and spanked them. The national union cannot control company greed industrywide, and if the pilots (remember, they make up ALPA) are not united with their local leadership, neither can they. Every concessionary contract that is in place right now is because the pilot group ratified it.

Want to blame ALPA? Blame yourself. Blame everybody who didn't vote, didn't go to road shows, didn't educate & inform themselves. Hindsight is always 20/20 when you make a decision looking down the barrel of a furlough gun.

rant off.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Duane worth is up for reelection to another 5 year term . Why isn't there a ground swell movement to get rid of this guy.

Actually, there is a ground swell movement to get rid of him....unfortunately, it is all on message boards like this one...and not where it needs to be.

Sadly, too many ALPA members refuse ( for whatever reason) to take ownership in their own organization. Most aren't even aware of how to get the ball rolling to get rid of Duane.

Right now you are looking at the ALPA BOD coming up next month. The last LEC meetings before this BOD have probably already occured. But how many resolutions have been brought forward by the rank and file membership at those LEC meetings calling for the removal of Duane? I would venture to say...very few, if any.

Some guys have said that they talked to their reps in the crew rooms about getting rid of Duane, uhhh, OK. Some have said that they e-mailed their reps with the same message....again, uhhhhh, OK....that gets it off your chest, but it doesn't get it done the way that the ALPA by-laws are set up.

See, the ALPA by-laws call for involvement by the rank and file if there is to be any change. Yes, I-N-V-O-L-V-E-M-E-N-T. Resolutions are the way to make change in the ALPA structure, not calling or e-mailing or talking to your reps in the crew rooms.

Next time you hear a pilot complaining about ALPA, ask him if he has introduced a resolution to get some change started....I'll bet the answer won't surprise you. Just like I won't be surprised when Duane gets re-elected next month.

Tejas

 

[Bizjet]

Duane worth is up for reelection to another 5 year term . Why isn't there a ground swell movement to get rid of this guy. He has led alpa while we have seen the profession decimated by mgmt . salaries have fallen move than in any other time in aviation history. retirements have eliminated or drastically reduced. work rules have been trashed. Multiple bankruptsys of alpa carriers. NWA. Delta. United. Usair. ATA. America West. TWA.aloha, Comair,Mesaba, all have one thing in common ALL represented by ALPA!!!!!!!!!!
American,UPS, Jetblue ,Southwest, Airtran, Continental. also have something in common, NO ALPA independant unions and all seem to be healthy and profitable is the a relationship here?
Alpa needs new leadership and direction. its lost its focus it doesn't represent the pilots anymore it represents its self its become a beauracracy. how come duane worth hasn't taken a 40% pay cut on his salary just like all the carriers pilots he supposively represents?

The term is 4 years not 5.

 

[Rik717pilot]

I think his next term will be 10 to 20 at Leavenworth federal penitentiary. His new wife will be called Rasheed and he will have his new husband, Duane, be the camel!

 

[Captain Overs]

I'm constantly amazed that people continue to refer to ALPA like it is some sort of holy diety or something. Guess what? Every pilot flying for an ALPA-represented carrier *is* ALPA. ALPA isn't Duane, ALPA isn't everybody else in Herndon, ALPA is you and me and everybody else that constantly bitches about whats wrong but won't ever offer any solutions to the problems facing us.

You talk about NWA, DAL, UAL, ATA, AWA, Airways like ALPA took them to the woodshed and spanked them. The national union cannot control company greed industrywide, and if the pilots (remember, they make up ALPA) are not united with their local leadership, neither can they. Every concessionary contract that is in place right now is because the pilot group ratified it.

Want to blame ALPA? Blame yourself. Blame everybody who didn't vote, didn't go to road shows, didn't educate & inform themselves. Hindsight is always 20/20 when you make a decision looking down the barrel of a furlough gun.

rant off.

I see your point, however I think what makes people upset is that when the carrier comes to the employees and askes for concessions ALPA is not yelling from the roof tops to try and stop it. It's gone on long enough and someone needs to stand up to the companies continued degradation of our work rules and pay.

 

[koko nw]

I'm constantly amazed that people continue to refer to ALPA like it is some sort of holy diety or something. Guess what? Every pilot flying for an ALPA-represented carrier *is* ALPA. ALPA isn't Duane, ALPA isn't everybody else in Herndon, ALPA is you and me and everybody else that constantly bitches about whats wrong but won't ever offer any solutions to the problems facing us.

You talk about NWA, DAL, UAL, ATA, AWA, Airways like ALPA took them to the woodshed and spanked them. The national union cannot control company greed industrywide, and if the pilots (remember, they make up ALPA) are not united with their local leadership, neither can they. Every concessionary contract that is in place right now is because the pilot group ratified it.

Want to blame ALPA? Blame yourself. Blame everybody who didn't vote, didn't go to road shows, didn't educate & inform themselves. Hindsight is always 20/20 when you make a decision looking down the barrel of a furlough gun.

rant off.

Spot on,
I'm NO fan of Duane and I do believe that national was impotent at best in the leadership category during the last five years. But the heart of the problem and solutions lie's at the local level where it should be.

One particular issue that national should be headbuttin is the onerous security check in were forced to endure while rakeesh and his buddies cleaning your aircraft swipes his card downstairs and has easy access to YOUR A/C while your being stripped searched and sodomized for the benifit of showing the travelling public how TSA's on the ball while the majority of pax have no freakin clue as to what goes on the bowels of your aircraft and who's allowed access to it. That's ONE huge issue National has had on it's plate for over 5 years with NO results.

Rant over.

Peace

Koko

 

[Tejas-Jet]

I see your point, however I think what makes people upset is that when the carrier comes to the employees and askes for concessions ALPA is not yelling from the roof tops to try and stop it. It's gone on long enough and someone needs to stand up to the companies continued degradation of our work rules and pay.

And I think what really should make people upset is when the carrier comes to the employees and asks for concessions and immediately, a large part of the pilot group starts telling their union reps to give in...even to the point of calling management directly and telling them that they'll do anything to keep their jobs and get the concessions passed.

With 60+% of the votes in favor of concessionary contracts ...what exactly do you expect your union reps to do? Duane can't lead if he has nobody standing behind him.

We've seen some ALPA reps on local TV, admonishing their fellow MEC reps for not giving in to the company's requests....And you want ALPA yelling from the rooftops??? Can we get real here ?!?!

Oh...and by the way...the aforementioned ALPA rep on local TV? Still on the LEC....not even the hint of a recall at that council....and you still want somebody yelling.....Ahhhh-kayyyyy <eyes rolling>

Tejas

 

[Tejas-Jet]

One particular issue that national should be headbuttin is the onerous security check in were forced to endure while rakeesh and his buddies cleaning your aircraft swipes his card downstairs and has easy access to YOUR A/C while your being stripped searched and sodomized for the benifit of showing the travelling public how TSA's on the ball while the majority of pax have no freakin clue as to what goes on the bowels of your aircraft and who's allowed access to it. That's ONE huge issue National has had on it's plate for over 5 years with NO results.

Since the late 1980's when then Secretary of Transportation started all employees to go through the metal detectors, the rule has been that you only have to go through the detectors ONLY if you are in the public view.

Same rules apply today. Let me just say that this is not the case at every airport. Just find a way to get there while not in the public view, and you won't have any problems.

"Stripped searched and sodomized"? Can't say I've ever had that happen to me. I know they have a job to do. Having said that, do they get overzealoous on the job? Sure they do, but heck, I do too. Got a problem with their over-zealousness? Call your chief pilot and let him/her know what the problem is.

Don't like the present system? Write to your congressman/senator and tell them what your gripe is.

Tejas

 

[PCL_128]

I'm constantly amazed that people continue to refer to ALPA like it is some sort of holy diety or something. Guess what? Every pilot flying for an ALPA-represented carrier *is* ALPA. ALPA isn't Duane, ALPA isn't everybody else in Herndon, ALPA is you and me and everybody else that constantly bitches about whats wrong but won't ever offer any solutions to the problems facing us.

Hallelujah!!! Somebody actually gets it!

 

[PCL_128]

Duane worth is up for reelection to another 5 year term .

Sigh...

This comment at the very beginning of your post indicates our real problem. The problem isn't Duane, the problem is that 95% of the membership doesn't have a clue how ALPA works. Five year term you say? Not exactly. Maybe you should go actually read the Bylaws and find out what it really is. In fact, read the Bylaws, read Flying The Line Vols. 1 & 2, read your MEC and LEC newsletters, go to the Local Council meetings, volunteer for a committee, etc.... Do something and get informed instead of whining and blaming Duane for all of your problems.

 

[koko nw]

Since the late 1980's when then Secretary of Transportation started all employees to go through the metal detectors, the rule has been that you only have to go through the detectors ONLY if you are in the public view.

Same rules apply today. Let me just say that this is not the case at every airport. Just find a way to get there while not in the public view, and you won't have any problems.

"Stripped searched and sodomized"? Can't say I've ever had that happen to me. I know they have a job to do. Having said that, do they get overzealoous on the job? Sure they do, but heck, I do too. Got a problem with their over-zealousness? Call your chief pilot and let him/her know what the problem is.

Don't like the present system? Write to your congressman/senator and tell them what your gripe is.

Tejas

Thanks Tejas for the history lesson, really. My comments in regards to being stripped and sodomized may have been too dramatic And I do realize they have a job to do, sometimes thankless no doubt but so do we right?

I guess my main rant being how we have a two tier security system. One for us and another for them. Maybe from my vantage point, THEY pose a greater security risk then the working crewdogs sloggin it out day in day out. And should get the full meal deal as far as security and not just me if were going to play this one out for the public.

I disagree with your last point though, ALPA is my voice to our electorate and has much more clout then any individual. By the way it's there job, and yes this issue has been brought up at the local lec level at least at my carrier.

Anyhoo thanks for the comments.

Peace

koko

 

[Rekks Inbound]

PCL,

Correct. What really matters is whatever your local is. I am pretty sure Boilerup is AWAC, and although our group has had it's issues, we have a good, strong ALPA group and an involved membership, relatively speaking. These are the factors that make the union work for the group as a whole.

The only place I disagree with you on is that although the local groups are responsible for themselves, the leadership starts at the top. Is ALPA evil or wrong? No, but it could be led better. And I do believe that DW has done the profession a disservice by advocating the raping of our contracts. He should definitely be replaced, and I have made such a motion at the LEC level before.

We'll all have to see what happens on Oct.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Duane did his time and failed. It is time for a change

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Worth SUCKS, whens the last time the Top Management of ALPA (Worthless) was on the news screaming about the pilots getting bashed to death, until we submit, or leave the industry,. Ya, It's all of our faults for him being so useless? NO He is a Weasel hiding in his ALPA paid apt. in Herndon. He should be on the news At least monthly. That's managing, not cowering. WORTHLESS IS OUT. PIECE OF SH!T !!!!!!

 

[AA717driver]

The MEC's give in to demands for concessions because they know that no other ALPA carrier will stand with them if they are threatened. It is, and has been for the past 40 years, 'every man for himself' when it comes to resisting concessions.

If there had been a SOS when drug screening was introduced--AND the threat had been maintained thereafter the management would have thought twice about coming after concessions.

Hank Duffy could have pulled the trigger on the SOS. Yes, he would have done some jail time. Excuse the F*** outta me! You're the head of one of the most powerful unions in the WORLD and you are afraid to go to jail? Well step aside, Hank, we'll find someone who understands the job.

John L. Lewis is spinning in his grave. No, actually, he's probably saying "you get what you pay for".

ALPA members have paid for nothing. They've made no sacrifices (other than the long-forgotten CAL or EAL assessments which they grumbled and bitched about) and taken no risks.

But, all of us are at fault. What MEC would vote to sympathy strike (yes I know it's in violation of the RLA--we play by the rules while management changes the rules to fit their needs) to support someone else? They were/are too afraid to gamble THEIR careers as their "brothers" are losing theirs.

THAT'S how we got where we are.

How do we fix it? I don't think it can be fixed at this point. Rez made my point on another thread discussing the challenger to Woerth when he complained that this guy had no experience at ALPA National. When you keep electing your leadership from the same inbred pool of individuals that got you into this mess, how can you change the direction of the association?

The people who work in Herndon have gotten there the same way for decades--a career of grunt work performed in the hopes of moving up to higher and higher office until one day being plucked from the purgatory of line flying to a cushy job at National. From there, you go along to get along and maybe knife a couple of people to get further up the food chain before you retire (often with your last line qualification being on an aircraft your airline doesn't operate anymore).

Until airline pilots realize that they are blue collar labor and ACT LIKE IT, it will be every man for himself and "Compass" will be the status quo. TC

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

how many resolutions have been brought forward

Uh.... wha? Did someone call me?

The only place I disagree with you on is that although the local groups are responsible for themselves, the leadership starts at the top. Is ALPA evil or wrong? No, but it could be led better. Rekks

You are kidding right? Please tell me you are trying out your ideas and not pushing this as reality. I went to an LEC meeting the other day...... THREE pilots showed up!

























I'll say it again! THREE pilots showed up. Lead what? Leadership starts at the top of what? How can you lead a membership that does not exist! Trying to blame the leadership for not being able to lead and guide THREE pilots is rediculous. In order to have leadership you have GOT TO HAVE FOLLWERSHIP!!!

I am asking you to re-think your post. Or provide a better arguement how it is the leaderships fault and it starts with them... when only THREE pilots show up.


THREE!!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The MEC's give in to demands for concessions because they know that no other ALPA carrier will stand with them if they are threatened. It is, and has been for the past 40 years, 'every man for himself' when it comes to resisting concessions.

And fear crept into enough pilots to ratify the concessions at the membership level.

If there had been a SOS when drug screening was introduced--AND the threat had been maintained thereafter the management would have thought twice about coming after concessions.

An SOS for drug screening? I'm cleaning my coffee of the screen...

Hank Duffy could have pulled the trigger on the SOS. Yes, he would have done some jail time. Excuse the F*** outta me! You're the head of one of the most powerful unions in the WORLD and you are afraid to go to jail? Well step aside, Hank, we'll find someone who understands the job.

OK Dan Brannan. If you have read Flying the Line, it is quite clear that Duffy Did not want an SOS. An SOS is a nuclear hand grenade. Quit calling for it cause it only gives a woodie to the radicals and ignorant.

John L. Lewis is spinning in his grave. No, actually, he's probably saying "you get what you pay for".

You speak for the dead?

ALPA members have paid for nothing. They've made no sacrifices (other than the long-forgotten CAL or EAL assessments which they grumbled and bitched about) and taken no risks.

Right.. that is the whole point of this career.. Days off and money. Why should ALPA pilots do any thing else... like fight for their rights when they can demand thier entitlements...

But, all of us are at fault. What MEC would vote to sympathy strike (yes I know it's in violation of the RLA--we play by the rules while management changes the rules to fit their needs) to support someone else? They were/are too afraid to gamble THEIR careers as their "brothers" are losing theirs.

THAT'S how we got where we are.

Because we are professionals... Do you see doctors striking.... If you want to go PATCO, then create the Ignorant Militant Pilots Association. (IMPA) Go kill your career and job... I'd like to keep mine thank you...

How do we fix it? I don't think it can be fixed at this point. Rez made my point on another thread discussing the challenger to Woerth when he complained that this guy had no experience at ALPA National. When you keep electing your leadership from the same inbred pool of individuals that got you into this mess, how can you change the direction of the association?

Kinda like politics in general. Same thing goes on, on CapHill. the reason why the same guys stay in office... is beucase they know how to play the game. My sources tell me that one of the ALPA Presidential candidates just shot himself politically case he tried to manuever in a way.. that doesn't work!!

And guys like you that call of action that doesn't work just causes us to regress....

Get it? No? I didn't think so.....

The people who work in Herndon have gotten there the same way for decades--a career of grunt work performed in the hopes of moving up to higher and higher office until one day being plucked from the purgatory of line flying to a cushy job at National. From there, you go along to get along and maybe knife a couple of people to get further up the food chain before you retire (often with your last line qualification being on an aircraft your airline doesn't operate anymore).

Its called democacy..... maybe you've a beeter idea for the placement of our leaders.

Until airline pilots realize that they are blue collar labor and ACT LIKE IT, it will be every man for himself and "Compass" will be the status quo. TC

I thought your issue was with ALPA national..? You mean it does begin with airline pilots....


Look in the mirror... all the solutions to our problems are there....





You forgot your "Bitter TWA pilot-I hate ALPA" disclaimer.... :beer:

 

[YourPilotFriend]

ALPA is totally incapable of protecting you from the company, in fact they come to us for how to handle situations. ALPA purpose is to protect you the pilot from other pilots trying to bid into your work. Could you imagine pilots bidding their own contracts, the only positions that would pay anything are the jobs nobody wants to do; i.e. Flight instruction.