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Secret Squirrel

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Don't worry, Managment is working daily to bring Major airline pay down to better mirror their regional counterparts.
 

Rez O. Lewshun

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Europe is socialist..... the free market in America must remain unfettered....

Obviously free market concepts do NOT work in every industry....Banking/Wall Street and dismally poor in Aviation. Here's to FULL re-regulation of the airline industry and pre-1978 wages adjusted for inflation. No more regional airlines at all, all of them folded into thier mainline parent. ATP's for ALL new hires and both seats typed in every aircraft on property. I could careless that the above would result in $1500 trancon tickets to go visit aunt betty or micky mouse or that it would result in 70% load factors. What it would also result in is PROFITABLE companys, comfortable airplanes, better passenger service and safer sky's.

I really need to quit drinking so early....none of this sh*t will happen because of the short term attention span of the american populace. we will move onto the next big news story next week, none of this will be remembered, no changes will come of it and Billy Bob and his toothless wife will be on Orbitz and Travelocity next week to find the $198 r/t ticket.

In the big scheme of things killing 50 people is not that big of a deal as far as the bean counters are concerned. Compared to the ratio of Doctors/medical malpractice deaths we should have killed 10,250 in plane crashes last year! 700,000 doc's and 120,000 preventable/mistake deaths...apply that ratio to how many of us 121 bus drivers there are....50 is a drop in the bucket. The bean counters in some dark back room know this and THAT is why there will not be ANY changes come from Colgan.

Any of you think the changes in paragraph 1 should come to fruition then we need to start killing over 10,000 a year and then change will come, until then it's an acceptable statisical loss/risk.

Rant over....
 

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Billy Bob and his toothless wife will be on Orbitz and Travelocity next week to find the $198 r/t ticket.

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Your high regard for costumers that pay your salary is shared, I find, by many in the airline industry. Makes me thankful that I can own my own plane and determined that even for ten times the cost I will fly myself and my family rather than experience your arrogance.
 

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I think we all have a very high regard for costumers. It's the customers that suck.

Now go fly your airplane and don't hurt yourself.

Maybe you'd like to hire a professional pilot?

There are plenty available, and at bargain basement prices I hear.

Love,

YKW


P.S. - I am available to run spell-check for you as well as to help you form coherent sentences. Unfortunately, I don't believe you will be able to afford my services.
 
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UALRATT

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Europe is socialist..... the free market in America must remain unfettered....

Words and ideologies can really throw some people off. Which off the sectors and industries deregulated under the concept of "free market" have actully been successful? Free market impedes capital investments, a trait common to each of these industries. Infrastructure UNDERINVESTMENT has all but crumbled our economy. They simply can't afford it. Isn't that tied to the decline in spending power of the US consumer? The basic engine for free market?

Transportation
Airlines ___
Railway ___
Shipping __
Trucking __
Bus __
Taxi ___


Financial sector ___

Public Utilities
Electricity ___
Water ___
Gas ___


Energy ___

Telecommunication __

If I missed any please feel free to modify the list.
 

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Should I hire an airline professional, may I insist on a demonstration of stall recovery technique? If I do board another airline I hope the pilot is able to spell and moniter airspeed at the same time or at least prioritize tasks in a reasonable manner.
 

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Should I hire an airline professional, may I insist on a demonstration of stall recovery technique? If I do board another airline I hope the pilot is able to spell and moniter airspeed at the same time or at least prioritize tasks in a reasonable manner.

I hope you are a doctor and own a Bonanza... good things will happen to you =)

Cheers!
 

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Should I hire an airline professional, may I insist on a demonstration of stall recovery technique? If I do board another airline I hope the pilot is able to spell and moniter airspeed at the same time or at least prioritize tasks in a reasonable manner.

As long as he doesn't have to spell and type at the same time. It's monitor
 

doh

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Should I hire an airline professional, may I insist on a demonstration of stall recovery technique? If I do board another airline I hope the pilot is able to spell and moniter airspeed at the same time or at least prioritize tasks in a reasonable manner.

Wow, a new low. You are not worthy to tie their shoes. The disdain some have for the pax is warranted in at least one case.
 
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spitfire1500

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Europe is socialist..... the free market in America must remain unfettered....

This from one of the biggest ( I can tell auto companies and banks what to do) Obama supporters on this board back in Oct/Nov.
 

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Compare and contrast regional and major pay in Europe to that here in the US. Why the big discrepancy? When will we stop it?

Because there is/has been a larger supply of pilots here in the U.S. than there is in Europe. I also think it is more expensive to obtain one's ratings in Europe than it is in the U.S. so that puts a natural restriction on the supply of pilots available in Europe. "We" will stop it when 3 decades of pilot supply exceeding demand no longer exists. No sooner.
 

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Your high regard for costumers that pay your salary is shared, I find, by many in the airline industry. Makes me thankful that I can own my own plane and determined that even for ten times the cost I will fly myself and my family rather than experience your arrogance.
As you so "eloquently" put it, not EVERYONE should be flying when they take a trip.

The American Public has come to regard their access to cheap tickets and the ability to fly instead of drive as a RIGHT, instead of a PRIVILEGE that comes from being able to AFFORD said ticket, just as you can afford said private plane.

Should EVERYONE be able to have their own private plane, regardless of what it costs? Should FBO's be required to cut their fuel prices by 50, 60, even 70%? Mechanics cut their labor by the same amount? Just so EVERYONE can be a private aircraft owner? NO, you say? Ooohhh, it's for people who can AFFORD it. Just like airline travel, it sounds like...

Your sarcasm is lost on the myriad of professional pilots here who understand the game and know that, eventually, there WILL be a market correction. Whether it comes during our professional careers or not, the current market pricing of tickets to where even the minimum wage earner can afford to fly coast-to-coast instead of taking Greyhound is NOT sustainable, and WILL correct itself.

The question is, will it be an overall economic implosion at the same time, or simply FULL government regulation or FULL government ABANDONMENT of assistance to the airline world, leaving it to TRUE free market economics, regardless of the impact to the flying public...?

Time will tell. In the meantime, good luck to you.
 

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Your high regard for costumers that pay your salary is shared, I find, by many in the airline industry. Makes me thankful that I can own my own plane and determined that even for ten times the cost I will fly myself and my family rather than experience your arrogance.[/QUOTE]


It appears he was just comparing industries and talking about the facts. I don't think it reflects his own personal disregard for passenger concern.
 

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I think we all have a very high regard for costumers. It's the customers that suck.

Now go fly your airplane and don't hurt yourself.

Maybe you'd like to hire a professional pilot?

There are plenty available, and at bargain basement prices I hear.

Love,

YKW


P.S. - I am available to run spell-check for you as well as to help you form coherent sentences. Unfortunately, I don't believe you will be able to afford my services.

Dude, that's beautiful! :laugh:
 

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Billy Bob and his toothless wife will be on Orbitz and Travelocity next week to find the $198 r/t ticket.

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Your high regard for costumers that pay your salary is shared, I find, by many in the airline industry. Makes me thankful that I can own my own plane and determined that even for ten times the cost I will fly myself and my family rather than experience your arrogance.

It isn't arrogance. It is knowing that billy bob and his wife will want pre-de regulation first class seats and first class service for thier $198 r/t ticket. That is what gets me.
 

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Billy Bob and his toothless wife will be on Orbitz and Travelocity next week to find the $198 r/t ticket.

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Your high regard for costumers that pay your salary is shared, I find, by many in the airline industry. Makes me thankful that I can own my own plane and determined that even for ten times the cost I will fly myself and my family rather than experience your arrogance.


And we thank you for not flying. You are probably that guy that makes it a point to tell the F/A that you are a pilot and if there are ANY problems up front, you would be glad to help.

Billy bob and his wife are just a generalization of the passengers. Most, not all, pax are great, but you ALWAYS get the crazies and the socially incompetant that shouldn't be out in public anyway, that ruin it for everyone.
 
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